07-03-2004 10:52									#61
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quote: Not to get on gay marriage, but why against?

Again, i don't want to threadjack.

Quick and dirty, I see government having the responsibility to witness, and issue marriage licenses. They do not have the right to redefine.

	07-03-2004 10:52									#62
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quote: I would say the opposite. Hard money has not proved an impediment to Bush.

Doesn't matter... he was adamently opposed to McCain-Feingold at the time. Media pressure made him sign it.

quote: Damn, what was your state chairman's name?

Chuck Haytaian?

	07-03-2004 10:52									#63
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So Imran, I guess you know Todd T?

	07-03-2004 10:53									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Damn, what was your state chairman's name? Chuck Haytaian?

You might be a bit older. I was out in May 2003.

	07-03-2004 10:55									#65
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I may... I have forgotten many a person from my time in Jersey politics a few years back. Probably be able to recognize him (If I knew him) by face, though.

	07-03-2004 10:56									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui I may... I have forgotten many a person from my time in Jersey politics a few years back. Probably be able to recognize him (If I knew him) by face, though.

Don't worry about it. Stewart painted him as a racist after he tried to push his way into national politics. Last I heard he was done.

	07-03-2004 10:57									#67
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Ah... in May 2003 I was in Georgia .

I ended my participation in NJ Politics in Spring of 2002. Bob Franks was/is my fav NJ politician. Though I always liked Christie Todd as well .

	07-03-2004 10:57									#68
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WHAT SHOULD THE REPUBLICAN PARTY STAND FOR:

IRAQ WAR

Fez: For
Harry: For
Imran: For, but could have been handled better.
QCubed: neutral, opposed to the way it was handled.
Ben: Against

ABORTION

Ben: Against in all
QCubed: abortion -- against,
Harry: Against, other than rape
Fez: Against, other than rape
Imran: For, other than Partial Birth

RELIGIOUS CHARITIES

Ben: For
QCubed: For
Imran: For
Harry: For
Fez: Against


GAY MARRIAGE

Ben: Against
QCubed: Neutral
Harry: For
Imran: For
Fez: For

TAX CUTS

Fez: For
QCubed: For
Harry: For
Ben: For
Imran: For, but not top

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	07-03-2004 10:58									#69
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Ugh! I hate when people are pushed down for being 'racist' when they are anything but.

Oh, and since I'm also against Affirmative Action, does that still make me a moderate Lefty Fez?

	07-03-2004 10:59									#70
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Not to familiar with the NJ politicians. My favorite is a county chairman from Niagara County near Buffalo. Good guy, ex-JAG, got a hot wife. Name of Henry Wojtaszek.

	07-03-2004 11:00									#71
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"Kerry opposed a balanced budget amendment (which I do as well, it's moronic), but that doesn't mean he's against balanced budgets in general. "

Just look at his career record. He has never been a fan of fiscal responsibility and has consistently favored greater spending on everything other then defense.

"And Bush had to be dragged kicking and screaming to Campaign Finance Reform, like Clinton had to with Welfare Reform. He doesn't back it and would love to it struck down."

Why? McCain Feingold's rules onsoft money has greatly benefited the GOP because the Dems relied on that more then the GOP.

"
And YES, I'm blaming GW for France. He could have easily soothed their pride like his father did. But, GW is no GHW."

We did make every effort to appease the French. We even accepted their initial UNSC plan that would require going back to the UNSC if a violation was found. Do you think Chirac is a moron who sways and bends at people paying respect to Gallic pride?

Chirac had his own interests in protecting his oil partner and in his own domestic popularity in opposing the war.

I wonder, Imran, would you have opposed Reagan as well? He too had a problem with deficits and with our foreign allies.


You're being short-sited. You are just looking at his campaign promises and what the initial situation will look like after Kerry is elected. You need to consider the fact you if elected you would then have a far-left Democratic liberal, one who has not been effected by Clinton's wave of Moderation, who has continued to stay to the far left (National Journal rated him the most liberal Senator in 2003), who would have the chance to leave his mark on the country for 4 or 8 years.

	07-03-2004 11:00									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Ugh! I hate when people are pushed down for being 'racist' when they are anything but. Oh, and since I'm also against Affirmative Action, does that still make me a moderate Lefty Fez?

You are a leftist because you wanna vote for Kerry.

	07-03-2004 11:01									#73
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Ah county chairs .

Bob Franks you may have heard of. He was the one who lost to Senator Corzine after getting outspent 17:1 in the general election. Senator Corzine spend $30 mill in the primaries (to knock of former Governor Jim Florid) and $30 mill in the general.

Good showing, but he wrecked his career the next year when for the race for Gov, Dom Difrancesco (who took over when Whitman went for EPA) was exposed for corruption. Franks had like a month until the primary vote. They all underestimated Schundler, who kicked the crap out of unprepared Franks. Now Franks i's a pharma lobbyist, last I heard.

	07-03-2004 11:03									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Ugh! I hate when people are pushed down for being 'racist' when they are anything but. Oh, and since I'm also against Affirmative Action, does that still make me a moderate Lefty Fez?

Actually, he was a racist. Kind of a jackass too. Affirmative action is discrimination...

IRAQ WAR: For
ABORTION: Against, except in the case of rape (no love there my firend)
RELIGIOUS CHARITIES: Yeah sure, the more the merrier. Unless they get Pushy!
GAY MARRIAGE: Hey, gay people are people too. Let them spread the love.
TAX CUTS: Capitalism, disposable income, BOOYAHH

	07-03-2004 11:03									#75
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Oh, and since I'm also against Affirmative Action, does that still make me a moderate Lefty Fez?"

John Kerry isn't against affirmative action. I doubt many of his juidical appointes will be either.

	07-03-2004 11:04									#76
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quote: You are a leftist because you wanna vote for Kerry.

Keep 'em coming Fezzie.

quote: John Kerry isn't against affirmative action.

I know that... but it ain't going away anytime soon. the SCOTUS has curtailed it as much as it is going to be (most AA is on the state level anyway).

	07-03-2004 11:05									#77
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Ah county chairs . Bob Franks you may have heard of. He was the one who lost to Senator Corzine after getting outspent 17:1 in the general election. Senator Corzine spend $30 mill in the primaries (to knock of former Governor Jim Florid) and $30 mill in the general.

Actually, I have heard of Bob Franks. I still have a few friends who live in Jersey. Anyone talking about the whole government consolidation deal (combined county and city services)?

	07-03-2004 11:06									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: You are a leftist because you wanna vote for Kerry. Keep 'em coming Fezzie.

You know I'm just joking around with you, and it is Giancarlo. The nick Fez is long gone.

I'm also against Affirmative Action.

	07-03-2004 11:07									#79
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Haven't heard of that. Not been paying attention much to what is going on in Jersey lately.

	07-03-2004 11:07									#80
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"I know that... but it ain't going away anytime soon. the SCOTUS has curtailed it as much as it is going to be (most AA is on the state level anyway)."

But with the judiciary getting older and older, it's likely Kerry if elected would be a chance to name some of their replacements if elected.

	07-03-2004 11:08									#81
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Haven't heard of that. Not been paying attention much to what is going on in Jersey lately.

You weren't perhaps in the Field Program, were you?

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quote: But with the judiciary getting older and older, it's likely Kerry if elected would be a chance to name some of their replacements if elected.

There happens to be a thing called precedent, my boy.

quote: You weren't perhaps in the Field Program, were you?

No, I personally wasn't. Some other people I knew (under me at Rutgers) were.

	07-03-2004 11:12									#83
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"There happens to be a thing called precedent, my boy."

And it's good a thing precedent isn't infallible or else you might not be able to end law school with White law students. The Court has changed in the contents of it's decision based on it's prevailing ideology in the past and can well do so again.

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: You weren't perhaps in the Field Program, were you? No, I personally wasn't. Some other people I knew (under me at Rutgers) were.

Alright, I'll stop asking. Nice to see a fellow CR alumni though.

	07-03-2004 11:13									#85
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Does anyone else here remember, for Irony's sake, when Imran once predicted Giancarlo would become on the moderate left.

My how tables have turned.

	07-03-2004 11:16									#86
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quote: The Court has changed in the contents of it's decision based on it's prevailing ideology in the past and can well do so again.

Do you know how extrodinarily tough that is? There have been few cases (relative to total case load) which have been completely overruled. And I don't really don't see how AA can be further expanded anytime soon.

quote: Alright, I'll stop asking.[q] Heh... you can continue if you want... though I may have been a bad President . [q]Nice to see a fellow CR alumni though.

Likewise. I'm just trying to figure out what to do seeing my past with this party and how it seems hell bent on running away from me.

	07-03-2004 11:24									#87
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"Do you know how extrodinarily tough that is? "

But it can has happen, has happened, and will happen in the future. And by letting Kerry pick the judiciary, you can bet you won't get a SCOTUS majority in favor of renouncing AA for decades.

	07-03-2004 11:31									#88
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc I dunno. Voting for Kerry doesn't seem like something a moderate Republican would do. With him being a higher rated liberal than even Ted Kennedy and all. I'd think they'd be more at home with the Libertarians.

I'm hoping that this is the year that those who are serious about shrinking government finally vote for a third party. Preferably Libertarian, but if not, then whatever party best fits their principles. Maybe it will throw the election to Kerry like Nader did for Dubya, but so what? What's Kerry going to do that's worse than Bush? Run record deficits? Put in a massive new entitlement program? Throw money at the NEA?

	07-03-2004 12:01									#89
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Good thread, Imran. Sort of a Republican support group, you know?

Like a lot of people on this thread I defined myself as "socially left/fiscally right", which to the average schlub essentially means a smaller government, less taxes, and pro-choice. Tragically we have found ourselves with the Republican variant of Lyndon Baines Johnson; a president who loves to fight wars, both social and military, and will spare no cost in doing so. Dubya has shown himself to be "Socially right/fiscally left" in just about every decision he has made: tariffs, budgets, wars, Patriot Act, gays, stem cells, science funding, hell, even the Janet Jackson thing a month ago... is this all the FCC has to work on?

I didn't want this. To give y'all an idea of what sort of Republicans Laura and I are/were, back in 1997 we had 50 "Forbes 2000" bumper stickers printed up at our cost and passed them out around town. I don't even think his campaign made it to Georgia in 2000, but I'm pretty damned sure that if we had actually elected that sad-looking man to the presidency we wouldn't be talking about a constitutional amendment legalizing discrimination. :sigh:

As far as this election is concerned, I'll take a better look at Kerry than I did Al Gore, that is for certain. Whether or not I vote for him remains to be seen... but I am not going to dismiss the Democratic nominee as before.

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	07-03-2004 12:10									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui From what I've seen the only tariffs he backs is if our trading partners violate their obligations under the treaty for labor and environmental standards... then the tariffs come back up. Kind of like a breach of contract. I'm not too fond of it, but I can see his point.

OK, this thread is quite, well the shame.

BUT, America punishing other countries for not following environmental initiatives... this I can't stand without LMAO