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CharlesBHoff
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el paso texas
May 2002
time: 05:34
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Make Bush pause? PLEASE! He doesn't care. He realizes that moderates are stuck with him and will vote for him while holding their noses. Many moderate Republicans aren't taking the step I'm taking, because they believe that Hell, there is nothing else we can do. I'm voting for the other side, because I don't like my party's President. Many other Republicans are thinking of voting libertarian. However, they are scared of losing power over appointing judges (which is a major thing, of course). |
I than a republician who will vote for Kerry. First Bush is than total screw up leader.He committ prejury about the WMD. He is mishandleing the war on terror by not getting moderate Islamic leader to back him. Preempty attack is than dumb policy which will lead to more distate for America. Bush fail to put those Christian Fundie Minister who make those supid remark against Islam in jail for startly religious war with Islam. That why
Bush get no support from moderate Islamist leader round the world. There going to be than civil war inside of Iraq as we screw up the war and occup of Iraq big time.
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Q Cubed
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t3h y3ll0w p3ril
Apr 1999
time: 23:34
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what it boils down to is that while looking back on it, i do think bush was better than gore, i cannot support bush for a second term precisely because i do not support his policies in regards to scientific learning (stem cell research. yes, it may violate my anti-abortion thing, but seriously? if those frozen embryos were going to be shunted down to the incinerator, what's the real difference if they get used in experiments, anyway?), i dislike the patriot act, detest his frequent pandering to the more vocal segments of the christian right who would love to make sure we're all doing the right thing(TM) in our own bedrooms, dislike his dismissive attitude towards those who disagree with him, even if he's damn wrong, and the simple fact that i don't like people who spend money they don't have, knowing full well that they're leaving the tab for someone else, namely me, to pick up.
****ing *******.
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mindseye
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A Yankee living in Shanghai
Apr 1999
time: 13:34
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Bush just sucks monkey ass. I swear I'd even vote for Ted Kennedy or Ralph Nader over Bush. |
Extraordinary thread!
Imran, I recall very distinctly, during the aftermath of the 2000 election farce, you were trying to placate some of us despondant posters. You were reassuring us that it didn't matter that Bush wasn't very bright, as he was surrounding himself with some top-flight advisors. Perhaps you were thinking of Cheney, Rove, Ashcroft, and Rumsfeld?
So now I don't quite understand why I am not enjoying the spectacle of you feasting on a platter of humble pie. Maybe it's because, although I often disagree with you, I have a lot of respect for your points of view, as it seems you really do think them through.
Or maybe it's because it takes a man of true character to admit he's been wrong - WAY wrong in this case. 
So now I respect you even more now - even if I doubt I will ever be able to comprehend your adoration of Reagan, of all people! 
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When I think about why I stick around this board, I sometimes think it's in great part because of the people who I disagree with, but hold in high esteem. There are quite a few of you types around here, more than one in this very thread...
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Harry Tuttle
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of the Hoople Heads
Mar 2003
time: 00:34
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One thing that has to be considered is who the backers of the candidates are. A candidate may say they stand for a certain thing but it is far more likely they will have to conform to what their supporters want, at least eventually. Take Bush W. He has given some nods to the Christian Coalition, specifically his "faith based initiative". Clinton's supporters were the soccer moms and the middle aged yuppies. He focused on placating them, to an extent.
My fear is that Kerry, even though he seems like a "sensible democrat", the kind the suburbian population would call a "traditional dem", will be influenced to much by the ferevent left. That is, the far left wingers (anti-military, lumbering social program money pits, higher taxes). To an extent, I can see another period of placation and isolationalism if Kerry is elected. Hell, I see another 1992.
Kerry just seems like a Bizarro Bob Dole. He's not spectacular, his so so. He spent so much time in Congress that he looks to be more of the same. He's even got his own Pat Buchanon smoldering in the background. I see a repeat of the 1996 elections.
@ Che: Idealism is impotent without realism. Candidates for office can't be a total personal favorite.
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Sava
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GO GO GO!
Mar 2001
time: 23:34
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you know, by Giancarlo's logic, I could ge against everything he is FOR and still be a moderate Republican 
sorry Giancarlo... but you are a corporatist... and you are anything but moderate. 
Iraq War - Against Bush's war... I support the idea of getting Saddam, but did not feel it was urgent.
Abortion - absolutely pro-choice... decisions about a woman's reproductive system aren't the business of the government or anyone else.
Religious Charities - let them compete with secular charities
Gay marriage - absolutely pro... I don't care what you call it. I'd prefer the government not meddle with marriage (hetero or homo)
Bush Tax Cuts - absolutely against... sorry but 45% of the money went to people who didn't need it. And the whole supply side argument of stimulating the economy is garbage. If government was running surpluses, or if business NEEDED cash to create jobs, then I would support them. But the government, after 2001, needed revenue. And the deficits are NOT about the War or terrorism. The iraq war is left out of the budget.
Overall, you could label me a social liberal (or libertarian)... but I believe government should provide health care (or the very least, insurance that competes with private insurances to those who don't have it), and social safety nets. But I believe there is too much waste in government. I'd probably agree more with the McCain's when it comes to spending.
Imran: I think this thread is just proof we need more political parties in America. The two-party system we have IS NOT democracy.
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Imran Siddiqui
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The Potterverse
Jan 1970
time: 00:34
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I don't understand the concept of voting for someone just because you think he's going to win. |
Well, you have to be in the party to understand. If you back McCain vocally and then Bush wins, you are left holding the rope. You are, frankly, marginalized. Those who backed Bush earlier leapfrog you. This happens in both parties.
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You were reassuring us that it didn't matter that Bush wasn't very bright, as he was surrounding himself with some top-flight advisors. Perhaps you were thinking of Cheney, Rove, Ashcroft, and Rumsfeld? |
Problem is that Bush is much more in control of the White House than I thought he would be.
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even if I doubt I will ever be able to comprehend your adoration of Reagan, of all people! |
LOL! Even if I vote for Kerry, I'll love Ronnie til the day I die  .
Oh, and thanks for the kind words. Let this be a lesson to those who say I never admit when I'm wrong.
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One thing that has to be considered is who the backers of the candidates are. |
Indeed. See, that is why I'm not scared of Kerry. Dean was pandering to the lefties and those were his backers (so his policies didn't matter, his 'base' was the left-wing). Kerry's base is the moderate DLC democrats.
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Imran: I think this thread is just proof we need more political parties in America. The two-party system we have IS NOT democracy. |
Well, of course it is. The thing is that both parties are massive super-parties. They are coalitions themselves. You can see this by the infighting within parties. The Republicans especially have many different sub-parties which wrestle for control.
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The problem is, Senate votes aren't the most effective indicator of someones policies. |
I agree. A lot of times in the Senate, you vote on your pal's bill so your bill can go through. Or you vote with your party, so you can get your bills through. OR, you vote to placate your constituency, which may be different than the rest of the country.
You gotta realize what Senators do before harping on their record.
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07-03-2004 12:14
IE a recent deal we just signed with China lets them put a 25% tariff on cars from the US, while we will only put a 2.5% tariff on their cars...).
. Like Arnie called it: Pragmatic Libertarianism.
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