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Q Cubed is offline Q Cubed
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remember those teenage abstinence pledges? Tired of ads?

http://www.freep.com/news/childrenf...10_20040310.htm

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Teen abstinence vows get so-so results

Pledge doesn't cut rate of disease, study says

March 10, 2004

FREE PRESS NEWS SERVICES

PHILADELPHIA -- Teens who make a onetime pledge to remain virgins until marriage catch sexually transmitted diseases about as often as those who don't pledge abstinence, according to a study of the sex lives of 12,000 adolescents.

But a pledge to refrain from premarital sex, the researchers found, did tend to delay the start of sexual intercourse by 18 months. The adolescents who took virginity pledges also married earlier and had fewer sex partners than the other teenagers surveyed, said Dr. Peter Bearman, the chairman of the sociology department at Columbia University and the lead author of the study.

Of the 12,000 teenagers included in the federal study, 88 percent of those who pledged chastity reported having had sexual intercourse before they married, Bearman said at a scientific meeting in Philadelphia.

The researchers tested the participants for three common sexually transmitted infections -- chlamydia, gonorrhea and trichomoniasis -- and found that the rates were almost identical for the teenagers who took pledges and those who did not.

Yet the teens who had taken pledges were less likely to know they had an infection, raising the risk of their transmitting it to other people, said Bearman and Hannah Brueckner of Yale University, the other author of the report.

Bearman said that telling teenagers "to 'Just say no,' without understanding risk or how to protect oneself from risk, turns out to create greater risk" of sexually transmitted diseases.

Data from the study came from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health. That study was funded in part by the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The study first questioned 12- to 18-year-olds and followed up on them six years later.

Critics of abstinence-only education saw the findings as evidence that adolescents benefit from sex education.

"It's a tragedy if we withhold from these kids information about how not to get STDs or not to get pregnant," said Dorothy Mann, executive director of the Family Planning Council, an organization backing reproductive health services.


those horny bastards.

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Saw this.

99% of kids who do not pledge have intercourse before they are married.

88% of those who take a pledge do the same.

So pledges are having an effect.

All of those who successfully abstain do not get stds, unlike the folks who use condoms or the pill, who even if they use them properly, can still get stds.

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quote:
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Stuff

Ah, but you missed this part

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Yet the teens who had taken pledges were less likely to know they had an infection, raising the risk of their transmitting it to other people, said Bearman and Hannah Brueckner of Yale University, the other author of the report.

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Also missed the part where the kids got married earlier.

In my experience that's usually done to justify having sex yet fulfilling their pledges.

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Tired of ads?

I'm holding so far

(btw, I haven't made a "pledge", but don't really plan on doing anything with anyone except someone I'm in a really firm committment with/married to.)

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I'm holding so far


Please don't tell us anymore

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Oh, yes, darling- I've got a firm committment for you- IN MY PANTS!!!

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Oh, yes, darling- I've got a firm committment for you- IN MY PANTS!!!


Oh yeah! I've got a committment for you- IN MY SCABBARD!!!

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All of those who successfully abstain do not get stds,

Unless, of cource, they marry someone carrying a std.

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unlike the folks who use condoms or the pill, who even if they use them properly, can still get stds.

Using the pill has indeed a very limited effect when it comes to stopping the spead of std.
(edit: Unless you consider offspring to be a form of std...)

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The point isnt that abstinence has no value, the point is that parents should educate their children about other methods to reduce chance of STD (i.e. "safe-sex").

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I really can't take seriously the idea that God cares about teenagers having sex.

I can take seriously the idea that it was a problem for the ancient Hebrews, who had no effective forms of contraception, and I could see why they'd want to make it a divine command. But now?

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What does god have to do with it?

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"What does god have to do with it?"

Hear hear!

If only there was more if this thinking...

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The point isnt that abstinence has no value, the point is that parents should educate their children about other methods to reduce chance of STD (i.e. "safe-sex").


Glad to see some conservatives still have a brain.

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Abstinence is technically a good thing, but subverting teenagers into taking a vow they probably won't keep is not.

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Considering God knocked up a 13 year-old virgin, I hardly think he's anyone to listen to on the subject of teen sex. Child molesting perv!

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if there aint, roll her around and play in the dirt

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Where did you get the 13 year old part?

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The point isnt that abstinence has no value, the point is that parents should educate their children about other methods to reduce chance of STD (i.e. "safe-sex").




Use condoms, kiddies!

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you too, old fart

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Pfft, I practically own stock in Trojans.

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There is only one solution. Lock up those who choose to take the pledge with chastity belts. It's for their own good.

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Suffering from ads?

YAY

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What does god have to do with it?


Everything, since the whole "abstinence" campaign is basically run by religious puritans.

They will give you all sorts of other reasons for abstaining, but the underlying one is that they don't want you to burn in hell.

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religious convictions versus hormones...

HORMONES WIN... DUH!

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That's why we need to marry at 13, like ancient Hebrews

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yikes... I don't even want to marry at 23

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Same here.

And IIRC, you mentioned a girfriend at some time.

So I guess you and I are going straight to hell. Sorry to tell you that

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Originally posted by Spiffor
Same here.

And IIRC, you mentioned a girfriend at some time.

So I guess you and I are going straight to hell. Sorry to tell you that
yup

We broke up a while ago though... our lives were going in different directions.

But yes, I'm going to hell. I just hope to secure a position in management.

 
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