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chegitz guevara
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Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
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Among those who pledge? |
Yes. Marriage is a the third biggest committment you can make in your life, preceded only by joining the mlitary (#1) and havnig a child(#2). Most people are not ready for marriage when they get married. The younger the couple, the more likely they are to get divorced, and people who take the pledge are more likely to get married young than those who have sex before marriage.
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I would argue the opposite, that those who pledge and marry early would be less likely to divorce than those who do not pledge and also marry. |
Yes, but as with so many things, you don't know what you're talking about.
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So divorce is worse than sleeping around? |
Much, much worse, especially if there are children involved. The only thing that's worse for children than being in a divorce is being in a dysfunctional family.
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So the goal here is to make them wait a year longer to have intercourse? |
Having sex at 18 is better than having sex at 17, which is better than having sex at 16, which is better than having sex at 15, etc. The older a person is before initiating sex, the better able they are to process the intense emotions that result from discovering sex. Abstinence-only education results in children having sex earlier with less protection. It is an unmitigated failure by any measure.
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Sorry, that is not acceptable. |
Other people's sex lives really aren't your business. Who gives a damn whether you accept it or not?
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not 'waiting until you feel ready' which just means that if you are horny enough, you should go for it. |
No, waiting 'till you feel ready is waiting until you feel you're mature enough to handle it. If we waited 'till we were horney enough, we'd all be having sex around age 13.
You are so clueless when it comes to sex.
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Ben Kenobi
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McGregornobi!
Oct 2002
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OK, then just don't pay for it.
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No, that's not what the passage is referring to.
Paul cites Christ,
Matthew 19:4-6
"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,'[1] and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'[2] ? So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."
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pchang
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Cupertino?
Aug 1999
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
No, that's not what the passage is referring to.
Paul cites Christ,
Matthew 19:4-6
"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,'[1] and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'[2] ? So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate." |
This is directly applicable to divorce, but not sure about the premarital sex thing.
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Ben Kenobi
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McGregornobi!
Oct 2002
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Yes. Marriage is a the third biggest committment you can make in your life, preceded only by joining the mlitary (#1) and havnig a child(#2).
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According to whom? You?
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Most people are not ready for marriage when they get married.
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Yeah, this has nothing to do with the age of the couple. There are many older folks who are not ready, as there are younger folks.
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The younger the couple, the more likely they are to get divorced, and people who take the pledge are more likely to get married young than those who have sex before marriage.
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But are those who take a pledge and marry young, are they more likely to divorce then the rest of the folks who marry young? You lack this one point to make your case.
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Yes, but as with so many things, you don't know what you're talking about.
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So I should go and sleep with someone tonight so that I do know what I am talking about?
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Much, much worse, especially if there are children involved. The only thing that's worse for children than being in a divorce is being in a dysfunctional family.
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Yes, but is it not worse to bring a child into the world, for whom one is not ready to raise? You presuppose that intercourse does not risk pregnancy.
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Having sex at 18 is better than having sex at 17, which is better than having sex at 16, which is better than having sex at 15, etc.
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So why not desire everyone to wait until marriage to have sex?
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The older a person is before initiating sex, the better able they are to process the intense emotions that result from discovering sex. Abstinence-only education results in children having sex earlier with less protection. It is an unmitigated failure by any measure.
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An unmitigated failure? 
11% of those who do pledge wait until marriage, a 1000% improvement over those who do not.
I would call that a revelation, not an unmitigated failure.
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Other people's sex lives really aren't your business. Who gives a damn whether you accept it or not?
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Again, why should the goal be to wait a year, over waiting for marriage?
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No, waiting 'till you feel ready is waiting until you feel you're mature enough to handle it. If we waited 'till we were horney enough, we'd all be having sex around age 13.
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But intercourse also requires a willing partner, which can be difficult for some horny teenagers.
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You are so clueless when it comes to sex.
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You think I have always been a Christian?
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chegitz guevara
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Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:34
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
According to whom? You? |
Yup.
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Yeah, this has nothing to do with the age of the couple. There are many older folks who are not ready, as there are younger folks. |
That's irrelevent. The simple fact is, the older you are, the more mature you are likely to be. Frankly, I don't think anyone under 30 should be allowed to get married or have children. Y'all a bunch of friggan idiots.
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But are those who take a pledge and marry young, are they more likely to divorce then the rest of the folks who marry young? |
Those of us who aren't stupid eough to take the pledges wait.
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So I should go and sleep with someone tonight so that I do know what I am talking about? |
No, you should take the stick outta yo' ass and take some human sexuality and psychology and sociology classes. Learn how the world and human beings actually work, and not how some 4,000 year old shepards say we should work.
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Yes, but is it not worse to bring a child into the world, for whom one is not ready to raise? You presuppose that intercourse does not risk pregnancy. |
That's why we try to teach children about birth control.  And if that fails, there's always abortion and adoption.
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So why not desire everyone to wait until marriage to have sex? |
There's no logical reason to do so, certainly not because some shepard on 'shrooms heard a bush talking to him.
Sex isn't just for procreation. It's also for entertainment. I don't see any good reason why anyone should have to be married to be entertained. Sex is lots of fun, but it's not a reason to spend the rest of your life with someone (unless it's really, really good).
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But intercourse also requires a willing partner, which can be difficult for some horny teenagers. |
Which is also true about marriage.
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You think I have always been a Christian? |
No, but you seem to have shut off the critical thinking part of your brain when you became one.
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Ben Kenobi
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McGregornobi!
Oct 2002
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So no commie bias in favour of military service, eh?
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That's irrelevent. The simple fact is, the older you are, the more mature you are likely to be. Frankly, I don't think anyone under 30 should be allowed to get married or have children. Y'all a bunch of friggan idiots.
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Maturity in my eyes often has little to do with age. I've seen teenagers take care of their parents.
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Those of us who aren't stupid eough to take the pledges wait.
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and why shouldn't you wait? You're already gettin' some. Why marry at all?
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No, you should take the stick outta yo' ass and take some human sexuality and psychology and sociology classes. Learn how the world and human beings actually work, and not how some 4,000 year old shepards say we should work.
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I trust the shepherd more than I would the teachers of today. What is new is not always better Che.
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That's why we try to teach children about birth control. And if that fails, there's always abortion and adoption.
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And how often do both fail? We have had condoms, and birth control for quite some time now.
Safe sex does not work. Even their proponents admit that abstinence is the only way that works all the time.
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There's no logical reason to do so,
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Sure there is. Shouldn't you love someone if you are going to sleep with them?
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certainly not because some shepard on 'shrooms heard a bush talking to him.
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As opposed to a commie who has already admitted to 'indiscretions' in his youth?
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Sex isn't just for procreation. It's also for entertainment.
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So why then should children wait for their entertainment? Why not encourage them to entertain each other as young as possible?
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No, but you seem to have shut off the critical thinking part of your brain when you became one.
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Well, this is where I say that I pledged BEFORE I was a Christian.
So obviously one need not be a Christian, in order to stop thinking critically. 
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Kontiki
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Aug 2001
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More to the point, Ben, you seem to be implying that if you have pre-marital sex, that's all you do and that those who have pre-marital sex only get married for sex.
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MrBaggins
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Ain't nothing like nailing 'em when they're vulnerable.
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MrBaggins
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Do they now. Statistics would be interesting.
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Interesting request since you've been insisting on discussing the theoretical, rather than actual.
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