31-03-2004 22:04									#1
	C3C Patch 1.20 Bug Thread Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

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	31-03-2004 23:10									#2
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tech tree in middle ages, crusades era is graphically off, arrows pointing in wrong directions.

	31-03-2004 23:50									#3
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It's a problem in the third age of all scenarios, conquests, and mods.

Last edited by alexman on 01-04-2004 at 00:46

	31-03-2004 23:56									#4
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Things seem a bit weird with this patch

On starting a new game i now receive Radio as a starting tech. Also there's still an empty spot for it in the tech screen. Should be totally been disabled now as far as i understand.

If i find more i'll add, but might revert if to many bugs pop up, especially if they affect gameplay in a bad way.

EDIT:
Ok Tech tree displaying wrong might be my mistake of trying to load an old savegame. Added the info below (Or oops did a double post trying to fix that now )

Last edited by CustodianV131 on 01-04-2004 at 00:49

	01-04-2004 00:06									#5
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Well, for modding reasons I placed 'radar' in the first age with masonry. Maybe, if they think to mod their own game after the fact, they should get some, shall I say erstwhile 'expert' advice from the modding community.

	01-04-2004 00:47									#6
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Ok Tech tree displaying wrong might be my mistake of trying to load an old savegame. (hey, i had to try )After restarting Civ and starting a new game it does display as it should ie radio is gone with the arrows fixed.
Didn't try the scenarios though.

Still you seem to start with the radio tech. But beyond looking silly in the small text blurb when you start a new game, it seems to have no bad effects. It doesn't allow you to build radar towers or research follow up tech. In other words it looks dumb, but seems to work ok.

	01-04-2004 00:57									#7
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this is the tech tree error for the middle ages scenario, just an example what alexman was talking about :

http://apolyton.net/upload/view.php?file=18188_c3c120techtreeerror.jpg

	01-04-2004 01:16									#8
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whoa that looks really bad...

so the patch overwrites the art/advisors/science*.pcx for all the conquests?

	01-04-2004 01:41									#9
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what a dumb bug how they didn't saw it before they release it!

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quote: Originally posted by smellymummy so the patch overwrites the art/advisors/science*.pcx for all the conquests?

No, but the executable now looks for a file called science_industrial_new.pcx. Since it doesn't exist for the conquests (it exists only for the epic game), it uses the one in the epic game folder. If you rename science_industrial.pcx to science_industrial_new.pcx in all the conquests, they will work fine.

	01-04-2004 02:00									#11
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does this also mean that scenarios with a custom tech tree will have to be named science_era_new.pcx?

	01-04-2004 02:01									#12
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Yes, but only the third "industrial" age. Not all of the ages.

	01-04-2004 02:03									#13
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quote: Originally posted by alexman Yes, but only the third "industrial" age. Not all of the ages.

thats quite an interesting bug.

	01-04-2004 07:33									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Uber KruX thats quite an interesting bug.

Yes, interesting in the context that 1.15b was released nearly 2 months ago now, and the weight of supposedly informed opinion has been arguing that the reason it takes so long to get the final patch out is not because there are lots more changes, but because it needs a lot of testing to make sure everything's perfect!

	01-04-2004 10:19									#15
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MP games can't be reloaded, get black screen then either freeze or CTD.

This patch is joke, I say Firaxis has blown their last chance to prove they have a concern for the civ franchise beyond just the cash.

Last edited by Swissy on 01-04-2004 at 10:39

	01-04-2004 13:07									#16
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so do we know any of the testers of this patch... ?

	01-04-2004 13:15									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Thriller Yes, interesting in the context that 1.15b was released nearly 2 months ago now, and the weight of supposedly informed opinion has been arguing that the reason it takes so long to get the final patch out is not because there are lots more changes, but because it needs a lot of testing to make sure everything's perfect!

The problems are from changes implemented in the 1.18 patch, which is about a month old. Not as bad, but still no excuse for not diverting enough resources to produce one stable version of Conquests for us.

	01-04-2004 14:43									#18
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Playing under MPTournament.biq, we have the Radio tech in it's old location. If this was intended, I don't see it mentioned anywhere. (The Electronics requirement for Motor Trans is gone though).

	01-04-2004 15:20									#19
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quote: MP games can't be reloaded, get black screen then either freeze or CTD.

old (pre 1.20) games? Or new games can't be loaded either?

	01-04-2004 15:29									#20
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I have run a number of test in debug mode (in my personal mod) and clearly the "Culturally linked starting locations" flag does not work. It was the same already in 1.15beta. Does anyone have the same experience with the stock rules? Also, when random civs are chosen, American civs seem to chosen more often than other culture groups.

Not a big deal but I wonder how they are able to introduce new bugs....

	01-04-2004 17:37									#21
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Now i just have to wait for some hacker smart arse to make me a no-CD crack.

hey, i have to, my damned CD broke.

	01-04-2004 18:22									#22
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quote: Originally posted by CyberShy old (pre 1.20) games? Or new games can't be loaded either?

I'm talking about a player gets disconnected and everyone goes back to lobby to reload the game and can't. Patch 1.20 is a major POS for MP players

	01-04-2004 18:31									#23
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quote: Originally posted by snoochems Now i just have to wait for some hacker smart arse to make me a no-CD crack. hey, i have to, my damned CD broke.

yeah, sure

I tried to break a cd once. It didn't work at once.
It's in fact pretty hard to break one.
CD's don't get broken by accident. You're either lying, or you broke it on purpose.

In both cases you don't deserve a non-cd patch.

	01-04-2004 19:39									#24
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The MP community is OUTRAGED by this complete POS. This is unacceptable.

	01-04-2004 19:49									#25
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quote: Originally posted by CyberShy old (pre 1.20) games? Or new games can't be loaded either?

All MP games, older (1.15) and current 1.20 can not be loaded properly. I have an hour commute every morning and afternoon, my train mate and I play during that time. After applying the 1.20 patch we could load our saved 1.15 game but the screen was black (the mini map still displayed correctly). You can't scroll the screen in any direction. Moving a unit causes a re-draw which then displays everything but then things lock up and freeze. We started a new game under 1.20 thinking that maybe this was just an issue with older save games. Upon reloading it this morning to continue the game we encountered the exact same issues.

Single player games do not appear to be affected, but MP games are impossible to play except in a single session, and no one plays for just an hour do they? This patch is worse than bad unfortunetly and if you play multiplayer I don't recommend upgrading from 1.15.

	01-04-2004 20:02									#26
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That really sounds strange!
Pherhaps they uploaded the wrong file? An old alpha version?

It's hardly possible that oversaw such a bug during playtesting!!
I'm glad that I haven't installed this 'patch' yet.

	01-04-2004 20:30									#27
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I am the Head Admin of CIV3Players, the largest MP Civ3 Conquests Ladder League in the world with almost 600 ranked players.

The 1.20 patch has a disasterous major bug for the MP player community. It is IMPOSSIBLE to restart a game that is suspended for whatever reason.

Yes, it's true, not only can't it LOAD a 1.15 save file, it also can't LOAD a 1.20 save file in Multiplayer mode.

I consider it irresponsible that this wasn't tested. In two hours using the new patch we encountered this bug a dozen times. It happens every time. You can go back 1, 2, 3, 4 save files it doesn't matter.

We have told all our members NOT to install 1.20. It is imperative that Firaxis put the 1.15 patch back up on their server as many people who misguidedly installed 1.20 have to uninstall Conquests and reinstall up to the 1.15 patch.

I hope this information helps others avoid pain and suffering.

Sincerely,
SirPartyMan
CIV3Players Head Admin
http://www.myleague.com/civ3players
"One game - one ladder - one community"

Sincerely,
SPM

	01-04-2004 22:01									#28
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jesus christ, this isn't some mass-organized april fool's joke, is it? because i just told my friends to uninstall the patch

	01-04-2004 22:15									#29
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Any change you can tell me what Jesus Christ has to do with this?

	01-04-2004 22:18									#30
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The only April Fool's joke was us MP folk uninstalling our entire C3C program last night (when we realized the patch was a POS), then reinstalling the whole damn thing, then reinstalling the patches up to 1.15. Damn funny, I tell ya. What a riot!

April Fools joke? I, for one, am NOT amused.