10-04-2004 00:23									#31
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rommel2d

i tried using MPTournament.biq 3 times (once random, one land mass set to 40% and once 20%) ... each time it was is the usual range. i've attached an image of the random try.

anyway... in SP the 40% ocean doesn't seem to work... maybe it'd go in MP, i don't know

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This has been downloaded 64 time(s).

	10-04-2004 00:23									#32
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Ill play any size map its ok , I just like huge ones.

I think smaller maps are probably better for PBEM but I love massive ones for SP

	10-04-2004 00:27									#33
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well, i won't play huge

would you to agree on following:

- large map
- each player (currently it looks like only 3 of us) plays 2 separate civs
- rest of the players filled with AI
- everything else random

	10-04-2004 00:30									#34
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i thought there was 4 players?

and I'd prefer standard, just to make the game a bit faster paced.

2 civs is cool

the rest randomized

	10-04-2004 00:35									#35
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isnt Rommel playing ?

	10-04-2004 02:01									#36
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My recommendation is to not play anything larger than standard. I am in one large map game with 6 players - and it is not particularly interesting. 4 human and 4 ai's on standard would be OK.

	10-04-2004 02:05									#37
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rommel's first post:

quote: During the week I usually check for turns around 15:00GMT and 03:00GMT and am up until 6:00 or 8:00GMT

i interpreted this as playing 15:00 and 03:00 GMT, not between 15 and 03 GMT... or am i wrong? for our multiple turn sessions, we wanted times between approx. 20:00 and 23:00 GMT


smellymummy, no answer yet from the other two for quite a while...

a problem with having a standard map and everyone playing 2 civs: not enough space! with 4 human players we'd use up the 8 spots on standard. no more space for the extra AI.
or we could take a between value: somthing like 120x120

	10-04-2004 02:06									#38
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i think that all depends on personal opinion. I'm in one pbem on a huge map, and the game is getting very interesting (110AD)

	10-04-2004 02:10									#39
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I guess I like standard size, because it will probably mean early warfare, and i like that. so i say standard sized map is the way to go.!

however, if you guys go for large, then that's okay too. whatever the majority decides

	10-04-2004 05:46									#40
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so standard?
but then not 2 civs each? or do we cram the continents up with many civs?

	10-04-2004 05:54									#41
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Im happy to play however you decide to go and am raring to go

	10-04-2004 06:28									#42
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quote: Originally posted by sabrewolf i interpreted this as playing 15:00 and 03:00 GMT, not between 15 and 03 GMT... or am i wrong? for our multiple turn sessions, we wanted times between approx. 20:00 and 23:00 GMT

You are correct, sir. My only block of time during the week would be 3-7GMT, but I also have time for a turn before work at 15:00. I can play 20-23 on the weekends, although that doesn't line up with the schedules mentioned previously.

If these times work well with someone else, we can start another game...

	10-04-2004 11:26									#43
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quote: Originally posted by sabrewolf anyway... in SP the 40% ocean doesn't seem to work... maybe it'd go in MP, i don't know

Were these generated by the editor, or launched as part of SP games? There have been complaints posted over at CFC about the 40% feature producing too much land, but I didn't notice if they mentioned how they were generated. My guess is that this is a special file that isn't modifiable with the editor, so if it is launchd from the MP screen, the 40% will be used. I'll experiment with this a little later...

	10-04-2004 22:27									#44
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I don't really like the idea of playing 2 civs each. 4 human players + 4 AIs on standard size map would be the best option for me.

	11-04-2004 02:27									#45
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so many different (and all nice) ideas!
but i agree with CM on the one main thing: the most important is to play!

currently, we've got 3 different paths:

a) fast game, my original idea, which eliitmees prefers
b) smellymummy's variant with 2 civs per player (details not yet clear)
c) a game in which rommel2d can also play... so a less fast (probably 1-2 rounds per day)

as i like to play several PBEM games, i wouldn't even mind playing three seperate games. would you people be up for that?

	11-04-2004 12:01									#46
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quote: Originally posted by sabrewolf i tried using MPTournament.biq 3 times (once random, one land mass set to 40% and once 20%) ... each time it was is the usual range.

Ok, I've figured out that the 40% ocean feature only works when the "tournament" drop-down is selected in the Multiplayer launch screen. All other land/water ratio settings (both on the drop-down and in the .biq menu) are ignored with this setting.

On a related note, I believe you can only launch a PBEM game with a max of 8 tribes, so having 4 players w/2tribes each plus 4 additional AI tribes would not work, as that would make 12 tribes.

	13-04-2004 00:02									#47
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quote: Originally posted by sabrewolf b) smellymummy's variant with 2 civs per player (details not yet clear)

2 civs per player means:

the game will have 4 human players, for a total of 8 civs.

civ 1-2 is played by player 1. so player 1 finishes civ 1's turn, saves, exits. Then reloads the new save and plays the turn of civ 2. then the game is mailed to player 2.

player 2 then plays civ3 and civ 4.

and so on.

	13-04-2004 00:29									#48
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thanks... but i did understand _how_ it functions...
i meant it's not clear yet, how we're going to play concerning land size (small 60%, standard 40% or large)

	13-04-2004 00:32									#49
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no idea about the details, whatever gets generated is good.

if we could just get to starting the game

	13-04-2004 00:40									#50
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i did write a message 4 posts above with a question about multiple games:
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...590#post2886590

no answer so far from anyone... easter time i guess

	13-04-2004 00:41									#51
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because i'm keen too on starting very soon!

	13-04-2004 00:53									#52
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how about starting a game with:

large map, 70% ocean (the middle one), continents, random everything else (barbarians also), 4 players, 4 AIs, monarch difficulty

	13-04-2004 01:02									#53
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Yep Im in agreement with smellymummy, lets get one up and running asap and sort any others after

Random Random Random

	13-04-2004 01:04									#54
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Added to above post the first game to be me smelly Eliit and you sabre, as its the fast one that we wanted then bring Rommel into the other/s

If thats cool with Rommel ?

	13-04-2004 01:40									#55
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the fast one unfortunatly won't work with rommel because of his playing hours (3 AM- 5AM here ) ... i was hoping our first one would be the fast one... but anyway, i'll set up a game and start a new thread, then we can continue the discussion about another game (multiple civs, etc.) here... ok?

CM, shall we keep it like currently with you before me? ... that makes it easier and less of a mixup

so it'd be:

eliitmees --> crisiusmaximus --> sabrewolf --> smellymummy

answer soon if anyone's unhappy...

	13-04-2004 01:43									#56
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looks great

	13-04-2004 02:37									#58
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here's our new thread...
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=112758

all related stuff to the game, please post in the OTHER thread... all leading to new games, we can discuss here

	13-04-2004 03:41									#59
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rommel, now that we've organised one thing, why don't you propose something with the 2 civs per person. i presume chrisius, smellymummy and myself would play this game... if AI is possible: great... if not... bad luck.

	13-04-2004 09:26									#60
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Actually, I'm not that interested in playing with a multi-tribe setup- I was just being helpful while trying to figure out details on the MP launch screen and PBEM game mods.

Proposal A: I'm interested in finding out how the Tournament setting afftects PBEM games; 4 human tribes+ 4 AIs on a small pangea map using MPTournament.biq. This would not produce a crowded start since the 40% ocean will make for more land than a standard map at 70%. Seafaring tribes would be hurt by this somewhat, so I'd also suggest enabling y-wrap to give them more mobility.

Proposal B: Basically the same as the other game: 4 civs + 4 AIs on standard w/70% ocean- Continents or Pangea. I'd also suggest giving everyone a 'get out of the jungle free' card- a maximum of one restart for each player in case of a really poor position- but I suspect I'll be vetoed by smellymummy... ;-)

Either way, can we give the AI some teeth and put the game at emperor or diety? Also, no SGLs, regular production.