22-04-2004 06:36									#91
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oh, never mind, maybe I should read the WHOLE post. It makes MUCH more sense that way.

	22-04-2004 18:58									#92
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You guys are gonna have to forgive me, but I am new to the whole forum thing, but what is the new thread called?

	22-04-2004 19:15									#93
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it's not open yet, sorry... i havn't had time. i guess i'll be ready some time this weekend.

redboy & smellymummy, can you figure out in the mean time which of you shall go first and which later?

	22-04-2004 21:53									#94
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what time zone is smelly in? I am Alberta (Mountain Time). Thats GMT-7.

	22-04-2004 22:11									#95
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i'm in AZ, and during summer it's GMT -8

	22-04-2004 22:40									#96
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So I guess I would go first right?

	23-04-2004 01:59									#97
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redboy: i need your email address where you want the save delivered...

	23-04-2004 02:29									#98
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ok, i tested this out. there IS a chance of changing who plays first, who next, etc. i'll have to edit the MP9-WWII-Pacific Scenario.

so, please everyone state your preference of civ you want to play.

your choices are:
- china: immediate action, only land based fights. you're facing japan with lots of units and -especially on sid- lots of new units coming. resources will probably be needed for rushing and the other civs should help you with tech research.
- united states: basicly meaningless in the first turns. the only cities in the region are either small, or are pearl harbor . but if you don't get your forces over soon, china will be toast and so is the game. best is you get tons of bombers and marines and get those victory points on the islands.
- netherlands: no direct interference in the beginning. get your infantries on ships and send them to the mainland to defend china's last cities.
- commonwealth: a few cities near japanese, but most are in australia and have no immediate influence.

i guess china is the biggest challenge but probably the most fun and action. someone with enough time nad lots of guts should play them.
the primary commonwealth job should be to cut japan off from their rubber. no rubber means no more tanks and no more infantry. if you can get them out of south east asia, they'll lose rubber and 4 luxury sources!

so, what do you want? please name 1st, 2nd and 3rd choice. thanks

	23-04-2004 10:56									#99
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1st choice commonwealth,

2ndNetherlands,

3rd China.

	24-04-2004 10:05									#100
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My email is wswanson@telus.net
i do like the idea of being the Yankees

	24-04-2004 10:06									#101
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1 US
2 Commonwealth
3 Netherlands

	24-04-2004 12:36									#102
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can i be china?

	24-04-2004 13:57									#103
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well, everyone of you has a different preference, so i'll take the last one (netherlands). wasn't my first choice, but otherwise we'll be discussing the rest of the coming week

so, players are (in order of playing):
sabrewolf --> the orange of netherlands
redboy --> the stars and stripes of united states
smellymummy --> the red star and hammer of china
chrisiusmaximus --> the "sun-never-sets" in the enormous empire of the commonwealth



some time this weekend, redboy will be getting the save and you'll all recieve a PM with the new thread.

	24-04-2004 13:59									#104
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what was your first choice? I posted china because no one else seemed to want them ...

	24-04-2004 14:10									#105
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i wasn't really sure what i wanted to play.
but it's ok like this. i don't really have time to play china, although it is tempting. i've got a very busy week coming up

i'll go with netherlands

	24-04-2004 14:29									#106
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Thanks for setting this up sabrewolf

	26-04-2004 11:19									#107
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i'm sorry i didn't start it yesterday. because of poly's maintenance work, i didn't know redboy's email-address.

i hope to find some time tonight (first move no moves, only japan can use it)

	26-04-2004 21:51									#108
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sid right?

i'm going to need help

	27-04-2004 03:24									#109
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just got home and off to bed. too many events today, chasing around town... urgh

btw: i had an idea new idea what we could otherwise play. started a post but that's on my notebook... i'll post it tomorrow

	27-04-2004 05:31									#110
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My email is wswanson@telus.net. What is this new Idea Saber? I am intreged.

	27-04-2004 12:37									#111
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ok, here's my idea.

now playing 3 games, of which 2 are in the beginning phase with just 1 city and virtually nothing to do per turn, and the 3rd game one being a nice multi-city game, i was thinking of following:

EVERYONE starts with 4 settlers. you can chose if you pan out and found cities or if you want to imediately add the settlers to 1 or 2 cities.

i was also thinking of making the game neutral by making all civs trait-less (or all have all traits (to be discussed)) and giving everyone all base level techs.

if fact, imho, we could even start in the medieval ages.

my main aim is to skip the "boring" first turns and immediately get into the build phase.

what do you people think about it?

	27-04-2004 13:43									#112
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i think that for pbem, you have to be patient, and wait a few weeks (months?) for the games to get busy

conquest pbem sort of achieves what you want though.

have you played the mesopotamia one? you start with several settlers in that...

	27-04-2004 15:21									#113
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well, most conquest PBEM (ww2, ror, for, med, etc) have the problem, that you know exactly who has what units in the beginning.

and to be honest... i'm not too fond of victory point wins (nor do i really like wonder victories)

however, i havn't tried the mesopotamia one... that could be interesting. but are the starting locations more or less equal? i'll check it out.

but just in general: would you people be interested in something similar as my above proposal?

	27-04-2004 22:24									#114
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here's our WW II PBEM thread:
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=113778

redboy already recieved my save. please tell me if anything went wrong... and anything else also please in the other thread. this one here is for preparing other spinoffs

	28-04-2004 15:38									#115
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quote: conquest pbem sort of achieves what you want though. have you played the mesopotamia one? you start with several settlers in that...

i checked out the mesopotamia scenario. it's definetly different than the epic game, and could be fun.
but:
- you start with only 2 settlers
- starting positions like greece and egypt really suck...
- tech tree doesn't even come close to the more interesting part

quote: i think that for pbem, you have to be patient, and wait a few weeks (months?) for the games to get busy

yeah... and if we just want to skip the first two months and directly enter the fun part?

so, would anyone of you be in such a game (details can be changed of course), or more likely not?

	28-04-2004 20:34									#116
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yes

	28-04-2004 21:07									#117
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quote: Originally posted by sabrewolf - starting positions like greece and egypt really suck...

I didn't think Egypt was that bad if you consider the agricultural bonus for deserts.

	28-04-2004 21:15									#118
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true... but not just the land, also the position.

rommel, what about you? would you play something like what i asked a few posts ago?

	28-04-2004 21:24									#119
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I have another week or two before I'm confident the tournament will get it's own momentum going, I'll see about new games then...

	28-04-2004 21:30									#120
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you could start thinking about it already now
we could wait a bit for the start.