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Move the capital to Basra. Arm the southern Shiites, then declare the country independent and get our people out. If there's killing to be done over Saddqam Hussein, let the Iraqi people do it.
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The Mad Viking
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of the Great White North
Feb 2000
time: 05:35
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Originally posted by Felch
In all of those cases where the brutality did not subdue the populations, the brutalized people had powerful allies that could support clandestine guerilla movements. Although there are outside sources of assisstance to the Iraqis, there are none capable of providing aid in the way that the United States or the Soviet Union were able to help their fifth collumns in the past. |
Rubbish. Check Gaza, and the West Bank. The Pals don't look subdued to me. I suppose you're going to tell me they have tremendous international suppport...
A situation in the end of a major 6 year world war, where you are trying to get the government to surrender, is very different than Iraq today. Where you are NOT AT WAR, where you are an occupational ruling, force.
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In any event, you haven't explained to me why the United States should show restraint in the current situations. I still feel that killing a bunch of Iraqis would go a long way towards discouraging future revolts.
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It is hard to understand why anyone thinks this. But certainly, millions of Americans do. I don't think it has ever worked.
Saddam's control was established through infiltration, spying, and counterspying. Nobody knew who was reporting what to whom. That is how control was maintained. Whether those "caught" were killed or beaten or jailed or had assets confiscated was less important. There was real control, and Iraqi's saw a cause and effect relationship between behaviour and consequences. Not to mention that they saw Saddam's rule as far more legitimate than Bremers.
Indescriminate "killing a bunch of Iraqis" will have the opposite effect. You don't understand Iraqi's, innocent people get killed for no reason. RESENTMENT.
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The Iraqi people will be liberated as soon as they can behave themselves. If they all die before that happens, it's unfortunate, but I'd prefer a thousand hostile Iraqis dead to one American or coalition troop dead. |
 News flash. They are not children who need to behave. They are a sovereign nation, who have the same right to self-government as you. Every single one of them is hostile.
So if thats how you feel, start building the ovens. 
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Eli
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Israel
Jul 2000
time: 07:35
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Err... The Marines bombed a Mosque and killed 40 Iraqis.
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GePap
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of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
time: 23:35
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What do you mean no mayor international backlash? The story is not even fully out.
1. The US can claim it was in the heat of mayor combat-if at any point you guys have 1300 troops trying to pacify a town, meet very heavy resistance, and bomb a mosque, well, then you can ask for equal treatment.
2. sadly, the US gets special rules to play by-not fair to anyone else, but as they say, the law for the rich ain;t the same...
It won;t do **** to win hearts and minds, and even if this operation succeeds in rooting out most militiamen there NOW, it won;t do much to prevent new kids signing up, specially if too much coolateral damage occurs.
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