14-04-2004 22:28									#151
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I find it amusing that a party that claims to represent the "silent majority" seems to be suffering from a persecution complex!

	14-04-2004 22:29									#152
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quote: Originally posted by Derekrage Lazarus what made me become a member of the BNP are the following things. 1. They are the only nationalist party in England 2. They will reject anyone the right to asylum. But most important of all they would put British interests first, above all else. They will maintain an independent foreign policy of our own, and not a spineless subservience to the USA, the ‘international community’, or any other country.

Look at the balance of payments. Look at how much foreign money flows through the UK.

Realise that isolation will cause financial collapse.

This policy sounds very popular - and the results would be catastrophe.

Of course, in that situation the people suffering most would be the poor - exactly the people the BNP say they want to help most.

At least THINK about it.

	14-04-2004 22:32									#153
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Who said anything about isolationism? An independant foreign policy is not isolationism.

	14-04-2004 22:35									#154
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That is true, but would cause economic problems, as would any economic/foreign policy motivated by non economic concerns like nationalism. THe only things a foreign policy should be interested in imo is a utilitarian economic policy and humanitarian concerns, which the BNP seem to lack.

	14-04-2004 22:35									#155
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quote: Did you write that?

Whaleboy- No just cut and pasted from the BNP website, my typing skills are, shall we say 'rudimentary' at best.

	14-04-2004 22:36									#156
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Ah! Well at least that's a good way to be consistent

	14-04-2004 22:37									#157
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Derekrage- what year did you start supporting the BNP?

	14-04-2004 22:39									#158
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Around 2001, I left about a year after.

	14-04-2004 22:40									#159
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Why did you leave?

	14-04-2004 22:41									#160
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At least it was after they tried to portray themselves as cuddly. What made the scales fall from your eyes, then? Nick Griffin's conviction for incitement to racial hatred?

	14-04-2004 22:46									#161
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Like I said earlier in the thread, I left partly because of the leadership links to the NF, partly for my job (it does not go down well with your bosses and co-workers if they see you as some sort of rascist thug) and to spend more time with my family.

	14-04-2004 22:51									#162
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quote: That is true, but would cause economic problems, as would any economic/foreign policy motivated by non economic concerns like nationalism. THe only things a foreign policy should be interested in imo is a utilitarian economic policy and humanitarian concerns, which the BNP seem to lack.

Whaleboy, I dont see how a nationalist economic policy will do any harm to the economy. On economics aswell the BNP policy can be summed up by 'British workers first' which I support.

	14-04-2004 22:52									#163
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quote: Originally posted by Derekrage I left partly because of the leadership links to the NF,

Please tell me that this fact was not a surprise to you. The BNP was founded by an ex-NF leader and is currently led by an ex-NF leader. It's not rocket science.

	14-04-2004 22:56									#164
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Really didn't matter to me at the time, I wasn't campaigning for the Chairman I was campaigning for the party.

	14-04-2004 23:18									#165
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quote: Whaleboy, I dont see how a nationalist economic policy will do any harm to the economy. On economics aswell the BNP policy can be summed up by 'British workers first' which I support.

It doesn't quite work like that, any short term measures used to improve Britons at the expense of others will have repurcussions since global economics are so fluid.

quote: Really didn't matter to me at the time, I wasn't campaigning for the Chairman I was campaigning for the party.

This goes for all political parties, not just the BNP but the manifesto is merely a veneer to the men in charge and their real nature, unless they have a coherent philosophy behind them which is pretty much a preserve of the left.

	14-04-2004 23:21									#166
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quote: Originally posted by Whaleboy unless they have a coherent philosophy behind them which is pretty much a preserve of the left.

A coherent philosophy is a preserve of the left?

	14-04-2004 23:23									#167
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I did say coherent

You'll see the irony if you account for the fact that left and right are only economy measures

	14-04-2004 23:35									#168
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quote: It doesn't quite work like that, any short term measures used to improve Britons at the expense of others will have repurcussions since global economics are so fluid

By preventing the outsourcing of jobs to India and Eastern Europe it will benifit workers here in the long term. I would not support all protectionist measures but measures that will protect British jobs without having a major adverse effect on the British economy should be put in place, in my opinion.

	14-04-2004 23:37									#169
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quote: By preventing the outsourcing of jobs to India and Eastern Europe it will benifit workers here in the long term. I would not support all protectionist measures but measures that will protect British jobs without having a major adverse effect on the British economy should be put in place, in my opinion.

But that is an inefficiency gained to business, referring to outsourcing, which isn't good for British jobs. I am a free-market advocate though.

	14-04-2004 23:38									#170
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue Someone who doesn't want Muslims and their inferior culture running our country in 50 - 100 years.

How many Muslims do you think there are in Britain? I'll bet you overestimate it.

	14-04-2004 23:48									#171
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Whaleboy, look at the recent newstory of phone companies outsourcing jobs to India. They are already making profit yet the bosses decide they want more money. And how do they increase profits? They pay Indians to do the job for half the cost. We should have laws to prevent this. Afterall who gains from this, the only winners are the bosses who can now write themeselves a higher paycheck and Indians who do not provide a service as well as the previous workers because most of them can't speak English very well.

	14-04-2004 23:50									#172
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isn't it about 1-1.5 million? or is that just those who regularly attend mosques?

	14-04-2004 23:52									#173
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quote: most of them can't speak English very well.

The english in much of India is good, and improving. Furthermore, the Indians are benefiting, whereas the recourse for British workers is greater than the Indians alternative.

Laws to prevent outsourcing will simply involve companies moving out or lesser profits, neither are good for the British economy, and in the long term, that is far more damaging.

	14-04-2004 23:54									#174
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quote: isn't it about 1-1.5 million? or is that just those who regularly attend mosques?

According to the last census, I think it was around that figure, a little higher perhaps.

	15-04-2004 00:02									#175
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It's 1.6 million. Or 2.7% of the population. Only half of them attend mosques on a regular basis, IIRC. I doubt that they'll become anything like a majority within a century.

	15-04-2004 00:35									#176
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quote: Originally posted by Derekrage Whaleboy, look at the recent newstory of phone companies outsourcing jobs to India. They are already making profit yet the bosses decide they want more money. And how do they increase profits? They pay Indians to do the job for half the cost. We should have laws to prevent this. Afterall who gains from this, the only winners are the bosses who can now write themeselves a higher paycheck and Indians who do not provide a service as well as the previous workers because most of them can't speak English very well.

Spinkie? Could we have your economist's viewpoint on this?

	15-04-2004 00:40									#177
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I'd be willing to bet that Britain gains more jobs from foreign companies who outsource to Britain than they lose through British companies who outsource to foreign countries. That's the case here in the US anyway...

	15-04-2004 00:41									#178
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Isn't it the case that over 90% of Britons are white?

	15-04-2004 00:43									#179
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"Spinkie? Could we have your economist's viewpoint on this?"

Herein lies one of my points of disagreement with the BNP. Like I said though, you don't support a party because you agree with all of its policies, and vice versa, you don't dislike a party just because it has one or two policies you dislike.

	15-04-2004 00:44									#180
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"Isn't it the case that over 90% of Britons are white?"

100% are.