04-05-2004 01:15									#1
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Joe Wilson, long time Republican and appointed Ambassador by the former President Bush. Also the man who exposed the current President Bush's lie about Nigerian uranium.

quote: If you're fiscally responsible, this is not your party. If you believe in a moderate foreign policy characterized by alliances, free trade and the ability to operate in an international environment, this is not your party. If you believe in limited federal government, this is not your party. If you believe that the government should stay out of your bedroom, this is very definitely not your party. In fact, I would argue that unless you believe in the American imperium, imposed on the world by force, or unless you believe in the literal interpretation of the Book of Revelations, this is not your party.

	04-05-2004 01:17									#2
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More so than the dems...

	04-05-2004 01:18									#3
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Don't get me started on the Log Cabin Republicans . . . .



I have very little patience with them (yet I have a couple of friends are gay Republicans).

	04-05-2004 01:19									#4
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Don't get me started on the Log Cabin Republicans . . . .

What's wrong with them?

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True, true. But unfortunately there are so many that think, as Japher apparently does, that all of that is still preferable to the Democrats.

The Dems don't exactly inspire me either, but surely they are the lesser of two evils at this point. SURELY.

-Arrian

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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Don't get me started on the Log Cabin Republicans . . . . I have very little patience with them (yet I have a couple of friends are gay Republicans).

Yeah, what'd they do to you?

	04-05-2004 01:21									#7
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I don't have time to write a book on here right now, DD.


Let's just say that I believe that Log Cabin Republicans are licking the shoes that are kicking us in the ribs.

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quote: Originally posted by MrFun I don't have time to write a book on here right now, DD. Let's just say that I believe that Log Cabin Republicans are licking the shoes that are kicking us in the ribs.

So, you can't be a Republican if you're gay?

	04-05-2004 01:27									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Harry Tuttle So, you can't be a Republican if you're gay?

Seems like it. Personally I'm more apt to follow the advice of Ronald Reagan who said, "Any person who agrees with me 80 % of the time is not my enemy". Mr Fun is such a bigot.

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They do call it a Big Tent for a reason...

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Forty percent of Americans describe themselves as born-again Christians. Seventy percenty of them describe themselves as conservatives. That's twenty-eight percent of the public, and they share control of the Republican Party with the neo-cons. Old-school Repubs are like Zinoviev and Kamenev after Stalin's assent to total power, i.e., just waiting around for the axe to fall.

These people said they're waging a cultural war in America twelve years ago. What makes you think they've stopped, now that they control all three branches of govermnet?

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That's an awfully big generalization there Che. Putting people into different camps and the like. You just identified your enemies, hat being a large segment of the population. Who's waging a cultural war, you or them?

	04-05-2004 01:39									#13
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Harry

You say that it is big borther that needs to stay out of peoples bedrooms, but that is what they get when they take their bedroom onto the street.

It does seem that it is the Liberals waging war against the norm.

	04-05-2004 01:40									#14
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quote: Forty percent of Americans describe themselves as born-again Christians.

Seriously? That many? Where is that figure from?

-Arrian

	04-05-2004 01:42									#15
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There is an ongoing battle between conservatives and liberals, and it ebbs & flows. Action, reaction. The conservatives (social, not fiscal) have been fighting back, with an unfortunate (IMO) degree of success in the last couple of decades.

-Arrian

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What norm? 50% of people are not involved at all. You can;t call what 28% of the people who actually voted republican last time want as "the norm".

Stupid two party dictatorship.

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quote: Originally posted by GePap What norm? 50% of people are not involved at all. You can;t call what 28% of the people who actually voted republican last time want as "the norm". Stupid two party dictatorship.

28% of the people . . . and they voted Republican. Given half the population doesn't vote, and almost half of those who do vote are voting against the other guy, that 28% is a exceedingly important block of voters.

Arian, the number comes from PBS's Frontline, "The Jesus Factor."

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quote: current President Bush's lie about Nigerian uranium

Eh?

Nigeria?

You may want to check your facts a little better.

	04-05-2004 01:55									#19
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What does one call something from Niger? Nigerese?

	04-05-2004 01:55									#20
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Stupid two party dictatorship.

Most countries seem to have settled on something close that number. Germany has a 2 & 1/2 party system.

Che: IIRC, the Democrats have more party members than the Republicans across the country. The Democrats just vote less often than their Republican counterparts. It seems as if inspiring the Democratic membership to get off their arses and vote would be a better tactic than trolling Republicans.

	04-05-2004 01:56									#21
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I'm not pro-Democrat. I'm just anti-Republican. They scare me, like seriously scare me.

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Just Niger, I believe.

The Niger uranium.

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quote: Originally posted by Harry Tuttle So, you can't be a Republican if you're gay?

Or deliberately trying to distort my claim? I am not claiming that you cannot be gay and Republican -- the existence of the Log Cabin Republicans proves that.



What I'm saying is that I find this to be a strange paradox in that too often, too many Republicans are more likely to be homophobic than Democrats. Which is not to say that there are no homophobic Democrats, or that there are no Democrats who would pander to homophobia for political gains (such as Bill Clinton).

But gays have a stronger chance with the Democratic party than the Republican party simply because the religious-right has too much influence over the Republican party.



And DD -- no, I'm not a bigot. If I were, I would not have two friends who are gay Republicans.

	04-05-2004 01:58									#24
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Are you taking it from this?

quote: People often get confused between the terms evangelical and fundamentalist. They mean two different things. Evangelicals are a very broad group. It's probably a third or 40 percent of the population of the United States. Fundamentalists are a subset of that. They are very conservative politically. Have a literalist view of the Bible. Evangelicals have a much wider range of political views. A lot of them are conservatives, but not all of them. About a third of evangelicals voted for Al Gore. So it's a pretty broad range. And you tend to think of evangelicals as being fundamentalists because the most well known evangelicals are people like Jerry Falwell who are fundamentalists and are very conservative. But in fact, the evangelicals who are part of Bush's inner circle are not all fundamentalists. They are often very devout evangelicals. But their approach to politics is much more nuanced than the fundamentalist approach. …

Or am I missing some actual census or poll data referenced elsewhere?

-Arrian

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I'm not pro-Democrat. I'm just anti-Republican.

What do you think will be more effective at blunting the rise of Sauron as you see it. Trolling Republicans or getting Dems off their arses.

	04-05-2004 02:03									#26
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It was something they said on the program, and I'd heard it elsewhere as well. I may be mistaking evangelical for born-again.

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quote: Originally posted by Arrian True, true. But unfortunately there are so many that think, as Japher apparently does, that all of that is still preferable to the Democrats. The Dems don't exactly inspire me either, but surely they are the lesser of two evils at this point. SURELY. -Arrian

Well, they're definitely lesser.

	04-05-2004 02:05									#28
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Trolling Republicans or getting Dems off their arses.

To be honest, there are a great deal of Republicans with integrity. I'm hoping they realize the danger before it's too late, and take back control of their party.

	04-05-2004 02:07									#29
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Che's got it right.

I'm an Evangelical, though I would not be a Fundamentalist because there are many parts of Genesis I don't interpret literally.

Evangelical can be used in a variety of ways, but the way I use it is that these churches tend to favour evangelisation, and believe that all of their members ought to be able to defend their faith. You are either a missions field, or a missionary. Others use the term synonymously with born-again, but this is more common among those less familiar with evangelicals.

	04-05-2004 02:08									#30
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quote: To be honest, there are a great deal of Republicans with integrity.

I think those folks are perfectly happy with Mr. Bush.