04-05-2004 07:01									#91
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I got it changed (from skywalker) a while back, because in all of the threads about democratic presidential nominations my sole contribution was "KUCINICH!"

	04-05-2004 07:04									#92
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quote: Originally posted by Kucinich I got it changed (from skywalker) a while back, because in all of the threads about democratic presidential nominations my sole contribution was "KUCINICH!"

Wow, that's great. Must have been a big thing for you, having your name changed to the only word that you could type. Adds a lot to the discussion.

	04-05-2004 07:07									#93
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Why isn't Ted Striker's name "I'd Hit It"?

	04-05-2004 07:08									#94
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Such a relief to know that you were "only" joking when you called me a bigot, DD.

	04-05-2004 07:17									#95
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Skywalker:

You should read my response to Adam Smith.

Just because people disagree with Bush does not mean that they lack integrity.

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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Such a relief to know that you were "only" joking when you called me a bigot, DD.

Glad to help ease your mind little lady.

	04-05-2004 07:20									#97
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Just because people disagree with Bush does not mean that they lack integrity.

people dont only disagree, they are totally against what the president has done in his term. He has contradicted himself and his "party" platforms several times on several accounts, except in relation to the religious right...

	04-05-2004 07:22									#98
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Boris:

quote: Maybe because we disagree with the connection?

Well, you need to show the term being used in the way you say. I've done my bit. So far the only argument presented gives the context for saying that the state should not intervene in the bedroom applies to abortion.

quote: Abortion is a medical/women's issue, not a sexual one. I promise you most Dems see it that way as well.

Not the point. The point is in what context does the statement that the state should not intervene in the bedroom applies. Abortion definitely falls into this category as well as a woman's issue. The two are not distinct sets.

quote: False dichotomy. Just because the Dems do not address civil rights for men specifically as a major issue does not mean they don't believe in them. They're platforms on civil rights is geared towards minorities who have traditionally suffered oppression.

So they don't care enough about men to make it an issue. Nice to see their honesty.

quote: How does this in any way support the so far unfounded assertion that abortion is considered by the Dems to be "bedroom"?

I gave evidence, you just laughed it off, so you need to show that the statement does not apply to abortion.

	04-05-2004 07:23									#99
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quote: He has contradicted himself and his "party" platforms several times on several accounts, except in relation to the religious right...

But Che's statement assumes that if you agree with Bush, you lack integrity.

So are you now saying that the religious right lacks integrity?

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quote: Originally posted by Harry Tuttle Wow, that's great. Must have been a big thing for you, having your name changed to the only word that you could type. Adds a lot to the discussion.

What's your problem?

	04-05-2004 07:30									#101
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Well, you need to show the term being used in the way you say. I've done my bit. So far the only argument presented gives the context for saying that the state should not intervene in the bedroom applies to abortion.

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%2...n=20&fl=0&x=wrt

Note there's no references to abortion in the sites pertaining to liberty. "Out of the bedroom" is used in reference to sexual behavior. Happy now?

The term is used in conjunction with sexual privacy issues, be it sodomy laws, prostitution, age of consent, etc. It is NOT used with abortion commonly.

quote: Not the point. The point is in what context does the statement that the state should not intervene in the bedroom applies. Abortion definitely falls into this category as well as a woman's issue. The two are not distinct sets.

You've only provided your assertion that falls into the category. Trudeau's statement is hardly the support you seem to think it is. Where is that proof again that he coined the phrase?

quote: So they don't care enough about men to make it an issue. Nice to see their honesty.

Nice to see you're still into making disingenuous arguments. Jesus would be proud.

quote: I gave evidence, you just laughed it off, so you need to show that the statement does not apply to abortion.

I laughed it off because it wasn't evidence of the kind. It wasn't even a Democrat. Wasn't even an American!

	04-05-2004 07:31									#102
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EDIT: why and/or when did I post this?

Last edited by Kuciwalker on 04-05-2004 at 07:56

	04-05-2004 07:31									#103
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im saying bush lacks integrity and voting for some that lacks that much intergrity on the issues you really care about should not be voted for. You just can not believe in the lies that the other guy is worse.

How could spending be more out of control, than under bush? is there empirical evidence that spending increases under democrats compare to republicans? no, there isnt. The oppisite is true. Democrats raise taxes to at least cover some of their asses on spending.
Voting for a "republican" that has done more spending than any previous democrat president, and holding that value of "financial responsibility" dear are opposed to one another.


If youre on the religious right, bush would be great for you. hes turning back the clock to a more religious friendly time where it is central to life and dictates our daily lives(for better or worse[worse in my opinion]).

	04-05-2004 07:33									#104
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi But Che's statement assumes that if you agree with Bush, you lack integrity. So are you now saying that the religious right lacks integrity?

Yes. At least as long as "logically coherent/internally consistent policy" is part of integrity.

	04-05-2004 07:33									#105
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quote: Originally posted by Kucinich What's your problem?

People with sigs longer than MtG's posts annoy him?

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dp

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quote: Originally posted by Kucinich What's your problem?

Sorry to be so crass, but it irks me when people start going on about how they and the rest of the party are disappointed at so and so. Glosses over the issue and makes the person who makes the statement seem like some speaker for Republicanism or whatever party comes into play.

	04-05-2004 08:05									#108
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I'm a Republican who is

for gay marriage
is non-religious
for separation of church and state
for welfare reform
for higher taxes
pro-choice (though leaning anti)
and dislikes bush's economic policies

however, I am still going to vote for BUsh again.

If anyone is a hypocrit here it's me... oh and I am a bigot too

Love ya MrFun

	04-05-2004 08:10									#109
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Japher, i take glee in knowing at least your vote wont count.

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Yaaay!!! California Republicans Rule!

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why even bother voting japher? i mean you dont support most if even half of what bush does and you are in a state that wont vote for bush?

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quote: Originally posted by MRT144 why even bother voting japher? i mean you dont support most if even half of what bush does and you are in a state that wont vote for bush?

Because he's the same way with the Republicans as he is with his wife, apparently.

	04-05-2004 10:59									#113
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If you take the label of republican off the President and he just runs on his record I don't see how anyone would vote for the man. Look at the facts. It says in the bible to judge a man by his deeds.

	04-05-2004 11:07									#114
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partisan politics

	04-05-2004 12:35									#115
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quote: If you're fiscally responsible, this is not your party.

True, and the Dems are fiscally responsible? It's their programs that account for the bulk of the federal budget.

quote: If you believe in a moderate foreign policy characterized by alliances, free trade and the ability to operate in an international environment, this is not your party.

True again, but the Dems believe in free trade? And what is moderate about the Dems' foreign policy? They seem to vote for what the GOP wants quite a bit when they aren't starting their own wars.

quote: If you believe in limited federal government, this is not your party.

I hope he isn't suggesting the Dems want limited government.

quote: If you believe that the government should stay out of your bedroom, this is very definitely not your party.

And if I smoke pot or snort cocaine in my bedroom?

quote: In fact, I would argue that unless you believe in the American imperium, imposed on the world by force, or unless you believe in the literal interpretation of the Book of Revelations, this is not your party.

How about the Communist Manifesto?

	04-05-2004 17:00									#116
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I'm rather schocked Berz would fall into the same logical fallacy of the False Dichotomy.

	04-05-2004 17:08									#117
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quote: Originally posted by Japher I'm a Republican who is for gay marriage is non-religious for separation of church and state for welfare reform for higher taxes pro-choice (though leaning anti) and dislikes bush's economic policies however, I am still going to vote for BUsh again.

Yeah, in uni, I have learned that people vote for the party they identify with, even if there are some disagreements on the issues and candidates... But I would have never believed it went to THAT point

	04-05-2004 18:34									#118
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quote: Originally posted by Japher I'm a Republican who is for gay marriage is non-religious for separation of church and state for welfare reform for higher taxes pro-choice (though leaning anti) and dislikes bush's economic policies however, I am still going to vote for BUsh again. If anyone is a hypocrit here it's me... oh and I am a bigot too Love ya MrFun

Why??!?!?!

quote: True again, but the Dems believe in free trade?

I don't think that the Democrats are less free trade than the Republicans anymore. The Gephart wing of the party is dying and there's a good number of anti-China republicans howling for tariffs on the PRC. And it was Bush that slapped the steel tariff on after all...

quote: True, and the Dems are fiscally responsible?

Since when was the guy who wrote the original thing a Democrat ? He's just a Republican who thinks that the party he's traditionally supported has taken a turn for the worse.

	04-05-2004 18:36									#119
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The fact is that there is no viable fiscally responsible party out there. It just doesn't exist. The Republicans have long claimed to be that way, but haven't, at least no in my lifetime. The Dems... I'm not sure they even bother to claim fiscal responsibility.

-Arrian

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Joe Wilson,says: quote: If you believe in ... free trade ... this is not your party.

Why do people keep saying that the republican party isn't one of free trade?