05-07-2004 14:10									#361
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quote: Originally posted by duke o' york I wandered around the fair in the centre of town but there wasn't anyone to talk to so I saved, killed the diviner in the fortune-telling tent, checked my reputation, and moved on.

Someone could have told me that this was a major blunder! Now my game is ruined, because I talked to the bloke who tells you that you're poisoned, and then he wants you to talk to the diviner. No dice. So I cheat, look up that you have to go to the water temple, and do the rest of the quest. But he's still outside the diviner's tent! I return to the save before this, although the diviner's still dead, and tried to avoid Lothandar (is this his name?), but it seems that I talked to him, and have saved afterwards. I'm on the level of the Iron Throne's HQ just below the huge fight, and unless I can hack the game to remove the poison on myself then it's game over, and I'll have to start again.
Therefore, I'd like someone to tell me how to remove the poison.
Otherwise, I'll just continue to play NWN, and then return to BGI a little later, playing it through with TUTU, and moving to BGII after this. Hopefully it shouldn't take so long to play now that I know what I'm doing. But I'm still pissed off!

	05-07-2004 21:32									#362
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Because of huge mishaps like that I usually have ludicrous amounts of save games as I don't overwrite any. That way I won't have to start from the beginning, in case I mess up. Nor do I kill npcs out on a whim.

	05-07-2004 21:43									#363
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quote: Because of huge mishaps like that I usually have ludicrous amounts of save games as I don't overwrite any. That way I won't have to start from the beginning, in case I mess up. Nor do I kill npcs out on a whim.

what about that annoying guy who won't shut up?

	05-07-2004 22:15									#364
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Well you do get some experience if you talk to him long enough and then he wanders off saying something like you're boring and talk too much - you could kill him then i guess.

	06-07-2004 04:27									#365
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quote: Originally posted by duke o' york Someone could have told me that this was a major blunder! Now my game is ruined, because I talked to the bloke who tells you that you're poisoned, and then he wants you to talk to the diviner. No dice. So I cheat, look up that you have to go to the water temple, and do the rest of the quest. But he's still outside the diviner's tent! I return to the save before this, although the diviner's still dead, and tried to avoid Lothandar (is this his name?), but it seems that I talked to him, and have saved afterwards. I'm on the level of the Iron Throne's HQ just below the huge fight, and unless I can hack the game to remove the poison on myself then it's game over, and I'll have to start again. Therefore, I'd like someone to tell me how to remove the poison. Otherwise, I'll just continue to play NWN, and then return to BGI a little later, playing it through with TUTU, and moving to BGII after this. Hopefully it shouldn't take so long to play now that I know what I'm doing. But I'm still pissed off!

Interesting. I was never poisoned, even though the guy said I was poisoned. So I'm not sure what do to

I'm sure there's a way to cheat. You just have to find the item code for the special antidote.

	06-07-2004 12:58									#366
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So I have to find me a list of all the item codes.

Well, I'll have a look a little later on. Thanks Diss.



Mumbling about non-appearance of Jamski.

	06-07-2004 20:48									#367
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Do a search for "GateKeeper"- that has the item codes, etc. it's a useful application.

Jamski recommended it to me in an earlier BG thread

	06-07-2004 23:04									#368
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Gatekeeper is a fantastic little prog , but it can be a bit tempting to cheat too much!
DarkCloud, Noober is indeed a pain in the ass, but there are other ways of 'silencing' him than just whacking him

Dissident, you are nevertheless poisoned even though you can't see it on your character picture . It's automatic!

	06-07-2004 23:20									#369
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How would you suggest silencing him?
(by the way, I already killed him sadly, and have to be careful when entering Beregost because that killing led to several others that my characters are now ashamed of )

	06-07-2004 23:21									#370
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quote: Gatekeeper is a fantastic little prog , but it can be a bit tempting to cheat too much!

I'm too afraid of messing up the game to actually change anything- I just browse it for reading material

	06-07-2004 23:32									#371
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I just use Gatekeeper to change profeniencies/thief skills. Some of those profs are just crazy for what they start out with. And I'd rather take a thief because I like their personality over what skills they start out with.

	06-07-2004 23:35									#372
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Use Gatekeeper, Duke - put the antidote in your backpack, and delete Gatekeeper from your HD

That's the way to resist

-Jam

	07-07-2004 06:14									#373
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quote: Originally posted by Trajanus Gatekeeper is a fantastic little prog , but it can be a bit tempting to cheat too much! DarkCloud, Noober is indeed a pain in the ass, but there are other ways of 'silencing' him than just whacking him Dissident, you are nevertheless poisoned even though you can't see it on your character picture . It's automatic!

well I never died, and didn't have any reduction of stats. when I drank it, nothing happened.

	07-07-2004 12:24									#374
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It doesn't reduce your stats or anything. You're fine for the 10 days that Lothander gives you, but after that time has passed, then you get a message in the text box and it's game over. Er, my last save is only a couple of minutes away from that.....

Would it be downright evil of me to use Gatekeeper to put the Eagle bow into my pack too?
Also, although I don't have the BGII expansion, whose name I forget for a moment, I'm tempted to hack in the pantaloons too.

	07-07-2004 19:12									#375
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* duke pulls on his Cloak of Non-rah-detection.

CRAP!

I just looked at the list of items that you can use Gatekeeper to put into the game and there is no cure. It seems that you are cured of the poison by talking to both Lothander and his partner (Marek?), and you never actually receive a physical remedy that I coul;d put into the game. That means that that particular game is effectively buggered, and although it was lots of fun, I still wish I could keep playing it.
I'll take a NWN holiday, and then install Tutu, the Tutu tweaks and BGII (not necessarily in that order ) and then start all over again.

	07-07-2004 20:22									#376
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there has to be a way. Are you saying Lothander and Marek are dead?

Even if they are, there are certain conversation flags the gatekeeper uses. You see this alot in Baldur's Gate 2. I've used them to get the romances working. It might be best to ask someone more familiar with using it though. I try to avoid using gatekeeper and related programs.

	07-07-2004 20:30									#377
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No, both of the characters who hold the two parts of the cure are still alive, but since the diviner is dead, then I can't talk to him and then talk to Lothander to get him to move to whichever inn it is he goes to and advance the plot. I can get him his geas, but he won't accept it because he hasn't moved from outside the diviner's tent.

Should I ask on the Bioware forums, or just give up the ghost and start again in a month or two. With Tutu, and two katanas!

	09-07-2004 13:29									#378
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Well Tutu is almost set up, but I haven't got the SoA patch. The nice people who wrote Tutu even put a link in the program so that you could easily get it, but the Interplay page doesn't work. Where is the best place to get this patch from?

	09-07-2004 14:26									#379
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Try....

http://ashfordcity.beigetower.org/forum/index.php

Its the home of the former interplay forum regulars.

-Jam

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I have found and downloaded the patch, so maybe my girlfriend might let me visit Candlekeep once more this evening. How does the dual-wield work in BGII? You don't get the abilities like in NWN so you can't give yourself ambidextrous and 2 weapon wield or something to improve your THACO with them.
Is a kensai with 2 swords just silly? I'm also tempted by a swashbuckler type with a decent rapier-style sword and the poison dagger you can get in Beregost. That would be loads of fun to roleplay!

	09-07-2004 15:45									#381
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You can put weapon profs in Two-weapon fighting, as you do with longsword or shortbow. You need 3 *s in two-weapon-fighting to be really good.

-Jam

	09-07-2004 16:38									#382
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Aha! Well, that won't take too long. Do I also need to put stars in the weapon types to be any good? With the swashbuckler example above, I'd need 3 stars in 2-weapon, 3 in longsword and 3 in dagger.

	09-07-2004 20:26									#383
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there are certain conversation flags that can "advance" conversations. I think the gatekeeper or shadowkeeper (I can't remember which goes to which game) discusstion board. I'll direct you there. They might know more.

just register and ask there. They probably can find a solution.

http://www.mud-master.com/forum/index.php?board=6

	09-07-2004 20:29									#384
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I think I will finally start BG over the next week or so. I have both games, and both expansions, and plan to use tutu. Looking through the manual of Sword Coast it looks more like a tack on expansion than a key part of the overall saga. Given that gaming time will take a dive soon (at present I am doing a Jamski because I have no job for a couple of weeks ) I'd like some opinions on whether to bother with it.

	10-07-2004 00:14									#385
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In BGII at least you can create charachters with the console - you could recreate the person you have killed if that would help.

	10-07-2004 05:28									#386
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DOn't bother with TotSC. It IS a tack-on.

-Jam

	10-07-2004 05:35									#387
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As I thought.

These are big games right? How long approx for BG + BG2 + ToB?

	10-07-2004 05:45									#388
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski DOn't bother with TotSC. It IS a tack-on. -Jam

It's an interesting dungeon. esp. if you are thief who likes traps .

total time for BG + BG2 + TOB is over 150 hours I'd say but if you skip some subquests, it could be a lot shorter. Some people skip many quests and head straight to spellhold. And some people don't even go to the Suhuagin city in BG2 (there are two options to get to the underdark, I think one of them bypasses this city).

	10-07-2004 06:36									#389
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Diss is correct on all counts.

-Jam

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I rather liked Tosc tbh... First of all it patched the game so it was a lot easier to use and secondly there's some rather challenging fights that need a different approach than the traditional creatures require ( that greater werewolf isn't easy meat with that huge regeneration rate )

About the duration; it depends not only on the amount of quests you do, but also they way you play. If you're one of those people who like to know everything, read everything, explore all areas etc, talk a lot and so on the game lasts considerably longer.. Many dialogue is not needed in order to advance in the game but is nevertheless interesting, and can be quite time consuming, especially if you need some time to grasp what's going on all around ya. And I'm one of those ppl btw