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Joncha, here's the neighborhoods/zoning for Roshem, as you've asked. ( don't confused my markings with yours. Mine are the ones looking shitty )

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2) As already stated you're an ocean away, choppers cannot fly that far, even if something were invented the fuel consumption as compared to what it could carry would be idiotic.
How big is your navy if everything has full naval support ? you are not a big military power this far from home ! even nations which have confirmed they are mainly seafaring would struggle to guard every transport at a short range.


That's why I only contributed a bunch of Janitors to this war.
I find that it's a lot easier to move 70 people half-way across the region by stealth than half a million by means of tax dollars.

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jon: IIRC, the PRC had a army of 4 million, but they trimmed it down to 3 million now, and is still cutting down the size. It is entirely possible for the Hive to field a 4 million strong army, but I don't think it's possible to field a 4 million strong army as an invasion force. Not only because that probably mean Hive has another 4 million soldiers at home, but the logistics for such a huge force will be a complete nightmare.


I've said 4million troops, there are logistical/support/reserves/engineers whatever in there so you are correct as not all are grunts in the trenches.

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you are assuming all my suplies coming from auldonina . that not the case, we buy them from any free coutnry and have them ship them in to the Western isles and from their large transport planes and hleicopters running 24 hrs a day. If the israelis cna airlift a whole group of jews from africa to israel the nwe can fly supplies in.

Again, choppers = slow = easy meat to be shot down. Aircraft = unreliable landing spot and if you say you are landing in Tel Azan, the area i have surrounded dont you think a few missiles would be kicking ur arse every time ?

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doesnt matter what number i give you , you will psot you got more...

Exactly, i will outnumber you, i have a larger military and im not oceans away from home, im barely a short swim away so quit thinking you're a super power, only the alliance will have the numbers to push me back.

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Remebering that hive is the invading force here with the locals not too pleased to hav ethem


FCL is allied, hence i have a safe landing site and somewhere to organise everything.

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Does this leave any one else with the idea that the hive is no undefended agaisnt a land invasion !!! with so many other nations around surprising no one taken advantag eof it !!!


If we use a low number such as 2% personel in my military, then actually i've got another 50mill or so trained soldiers at home, you're the one who should be concerned about your island if you've got 50% away from there.

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Yes saw that but as he didnt lose anything i felt i am jsutified in not having my shipping hit..

One death is a tradegy, one million is a statistic.

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Everyone - everyone - even if you're Apolyton's pre-eminent military power - has to be reasonable. You have to have both weaknesses and strengths. You have to take casualties when it is reasonable to take casualties. You have to lose the war, when it is reasonable to lose the war.


As i've said, this will be a Korea situation when the alliance attacks, I will in my opinion be pushed back to FCL's borders, Auldoninna alone vs me would stand no chance.

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If we use a low number such as 2% personel in my military, then actually i've got another 50mill or so trained soldiers at home, you're the one who should be concerned about your island if you've got 50% away from there.


Actually, 2% in the military is quite high... I suggest you read this thread for an explanation of why:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13017

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Some say its possible some say it isn't ?

Even the pessimists say 1% which would leave me 20+mill at home.

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Here's an updated map of Roshem showing Azazel's detailed info (somewhat modified to match roleplay thus far). Note that the City Centre includes all financial, administrative and government buildings. There's a port downtown, which the FCL is in complete control of, but the port for heavy industry is in Azani hands and the airport is controlled by Noosland.

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Airport location fixed.

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cool. only remove the airport. It's where I've put the red cross, not where you've put it.


We need other wars.

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It's your country, so you're the boss... one airport edit, coming up!

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I have to repay you this favor. When are we going to have a war on your territory?

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Thanks, but no thanks...

btw, why did you start another Azan instead of just using "Former Azan"?

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Too FYROM.

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So let me know. ... i can easily delete my nation from nation states if it upsets people so much that the Poor Hive is gonig to lose this war !!!!!

Well, the way I see it, eventually losing the war is one thing. Being defeated almost single handedly by Auldoninna in a matter of days is something else. One may be reasonable, the other one is not, in my opinion.

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Yes saw that but as he didnt lose anything i felt i am jsutified in not having my shipping hit..

Well, there is a difference between acknowledging an attack but not specifying exactly how much you lost from it and not acknowledging an attack and saying "I lost nothing." And, it's definitely not realistic to be supplying an entire army by air alone. That ammunition and stuff they use is freaking heavy! Let's try to be reasonable about this, shall we? (Sorry if I sound like a jerk.)

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Each day IRL is more than one day in the game.

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Yes... but... we have no fixed timeline in the Apolyton forum. So sometimes time flows the opposite way, with several RL days equal to one day or even a few hours of gametime. Otherwise it would be impossible for us to interact in meaningful way.

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Well, the way I see it, eventually losing the war is one thing. Being defeated almost single handedly by Auldoninna in a matter of days is something else. One may be reasonable, the other one is not, in my opinion.


Exactly my thoughts, thank you.
As i've stated time and time and then some more again I THINK WE WILL LOSE, we'll be driven back to FCL's borders but having Auldoninna personally take on one of the worlds superpowers in its own backyard when it's so far away from home is just totally unrealistic. Ras however seems to want the glory purely to himself in a personel vendetta

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actually nowhere have i stated i winning this war, i see my self as just a unofficial ally of the allaince, i ecpect the others to do more in their push back. Seeing as how your troops wont be fighting me alone but rather split to cover the large front i see no reason not to post i have wins in battles. i havent seeked glory, and if i had to fight the Allaince in azan alone i would have lsot, and you will see tha tocne they threatened me, i eventually removed my forces from azan and gave them their freedom.

if the USA can maintain an army in iraq across a whole world, i am sure i can maintain mine in the region. all of azans posrts are open for me to enter. as are FCL to yours, however, you are well outnumbered and you have psoted the same, in naval matters and so your movement of troops and resupply is much harder than mine. Only the hive navy and airforce are attacking my ships, you have a huge coalition of navys encircling FCL/Azan so if any one is gonig to have supply problems it shoudl be you, but i have ignored that s i thoguht no one cared, but now that you are pushijg my supply problems, i will ask you to acknolwedge your supply problems....

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Sure, ur maps show u've taken practically 1/3 of the country without even breaking a sweat.

The USA is fighting a 3rd world country using a small force, not somebody double its size, and even then its having to ask congress for extra money because it is struggling.

How is resupply harder for me ? look at the distance between myself and FCL, its easy to ship things over that from my homeland and i have complete control of that small area as i'm not far away from home waters, i have never sought an extended reach, just concentrated defense in that area to protect my supply.
As i acknowledged in another post, if i sailed down there i'd die, but up in the north i have unprecedented air cover to back me up.
All of Azans ports are open to you ? Bar the neutral zone myself and Franky left alone we had overrun the country so i dont see how.

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all of free azan !!!

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ok how obut i post that you killed all my troops and you won that make you feel better....

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Guys! Stop flaming and start playing!

Auldoninna has launched its offensive, so now it's up to the Hive to counter it. How that happens is entirely up to Lazerus.

Laz, you can post a retreat, a regroupment, a counter-offensive or whatever you like, and the map will be updated to reflect it. As you said, this looks like it will turn into Poly's version of Korea. Well, think of Tel Azan as Inchon and roleplay from there!

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based on numbers from the military machine site, i can and should be able to win a war with all those other nations on my side...

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Actually, 2% in the military is quite high... I suggest you read this thread for an explanation of why:

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Thanks for the link.

He's talking about number of men (or persons), not $ spending, though.

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based on numbers from the military machine site, i can and should be able to win a war with all those other nations on my side...


Probably not, if we use those numbers.

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Azazel,

How's the river running through Roshem? Width? Depth? What can navigate on it?

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Probably not, if we use those numbers.



which numbers ?

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That's a good question, UR. I assumed not, except by patrol boats and the like... although in my city map, it is pretty wide.

Also, note that the placement of the airport has changed, and that it puts your forces directly in the line of attack from After and Tel Zach.

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That's a good question, UR. I assumed not, except by patrol boats and the like... although in my city map, it is pretty wide.

Also, note that the placement of the airport has changed, and that it puts your forces directly in the line of attack from After and Tel Zach.


are there any shots being fiored down there??

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No, everything's on pause until Frankychan has a chance to respond. The same should go for the rest of Azan, IMO.

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Where do you want my Karakasian soldiers to attack?

I've been finding it hard to get a post in edgewise, but I want to increase my visibility. Assume Karakas has about 2,000 infantry on the ground right now. League of Armed Neutrality and Azani commanders: where do you need those guys?

 
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