17-05-2004 22:57									#241
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It does, all my poor citizens are thick as hell
They are well fed however as im the healthiest in apolyton, goes with all the physical training and extensive research into chemical and biological areas for errmm yeah health stuff
Also i have no social support, there is a job for everyone should they wish it.

	17-05-2004 23:17									#242
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How can you have research with bricks for subjects?

	17-05-2004 23:43									#243
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Because thats the average poor citizen. Besides look at the USA's average IQ, it's outclassed by quite a few other countries but it has the advantage of being able to pay those at the top well, hence attracting the best.

For me, i just kidnap and torture them to work

	18-05-2004 02:55									#244
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we all forget the hive are invincible....


despite having idiots with no education, they can still man thousands and thousands of planes, operate modern military equipment,

Based on his own posting above now, we know that his troops are probably going to forget how to fire their rifles let alone fly planes...

	18-05-2004 03:11									#245
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel How can you have research with bricks for subjects?

Precisely.

	18-05-2004 03:12									#246
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Everyone else posted nations' strengths and weaknesses back on the second and third pages. I think it's about time the Hive did the same.

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	18-05-2004 03:16									#247
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thi should be fun ...

	18-05-2004 12:53									#248
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quote: despite having idiots with no education, they can still man thousands and thousands of planes, operate modern military equipment, Based on his own posting above now, we know that his troops are probably going to forget how to fire their rifles let alone fly planes...

You're aware that education levels can differ, right? Even if his soldiers are illiterate, they may still know how to operate absic equipment, and those who have to use more specialized stuff would get special training.

	18-05-2004 13:34									#249
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Agreed. "Education" might mean knowing how to assemble and disassemble a rifle, but not necessarily correspond to literacy.

In a very abstract way, it's like street smarts vs. book smarts.

	18-05-2004 14:20									#250
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. President Everyone else posted nations' strengths and weaknesses back on the second and third pages. I think it's about time the Hive did the same.

Ceroo didn't
FTR:

Military Strengths:
Large, powerful, hi-tech navy. Ceroo's Dreadnought-class ships are considered the pinnacle of naval warships by Cerooan sailors.
Reasonably-modern airforce; Vertical take-off aircraft (Harriers)
Capable of deploying Tomahawk cruise missiles, as well as lower-yield (but less accurate) cruise missiles that are much cheaper from the majority of military vessels.
Well-trained marines and special forces.

Military Weaknesses:
Comparatively small infantry army. Heavy armour/tanks easily outnumbered by similar-sized nations.
Navy has not suffered any major losses for thousands of years, their belief in their superiority may be exploited by a clever foe
Airforce funding has only been picked up in the last decade, could potentially be outnumbered. Very few bomber-type aircraft, airforce is mainly fighters as it was built mainly for defence rather than offence.
Structure of the military is outdated, and it still retains the titles and customs of the old Empire. The Imperial Naval Command controls all branches of the military (navy, army and airforce) so there is bias towards the navy.

	18-05-2004 14:30									#251
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Thanks ceroomaster I just want to have it on record for every participant.

	18-05-2004 14:46									#252
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Basus's army has only one single purpose. The defence of Basus. In recent years this single goal is expanded with some extra's like resque branches and small specialists attack groups.

Basus has is focussed on the skies. We have a very larges airforce. Main aircraft is the fighter but most fighters are adapted also for other purposes like bomming etc.

Our navy is our second focus. It's submissive to the airforce so we have carriers and the rest is defence for the carriers and harbour etc.

We also have a small infantery corps. Highly specialist in the defence of basus and trained to assist with natural disasters.

We are weak in a direct confrontation that is not on basus soil except in the air

	18-05-2004 14:50									#253
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. President Thanks ceroomaster I just want to have it on record for every participant.

Okay. Will do that some time... maybe tomorrow.

	18-05-2004 15:14									#254
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No problem.

I should do mine in more detail, so here goes.

Karakas' soldiers fight hard and with devotion - but their training is not of a standard that would be considered acceptable in the top military powers. They can also lose their discipline at times (see the episode with Manuel at the checkpoint in the war thread).

During the cold war with Kyralia, the army, navy, and air force were set up with the intention of fighting Kyralia. That means ships and heavy bombers suitable for offense just offshore, and marine landing and commando combat training for the infantry. As a result, that kind of capability is strong, but mobile combat skills edit: and naval power projection, are lacking. (This might be important against all the Hive tanks in Azan.)

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	18-05-2004 15:15									#255
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More elaboration of Frankychanland military (I guess)

Summary-

Frankychanland military is basic pyramid style. At the bottom is the most numerous troops. Conscripted and low trained/equipped. The higher you go up the pyramid, the better trained and equipped the troops are, but with very few numbers.

Strengths-

Numbers. Lots of soldiers, tanks, choppers. Additonally, police and security duties. FCL maintains a police state. Military is trained in policing the populace and squashing rebellion and/or rioting....for the most part.

Ground forces: Lots of troops (conscripts). Lots of tanks (dated, but still functional).

Air Force: Less than 100 fighter jets. (Mig-style). Less than 10 Bombers. Many more choppers. Air force is mostly made up of assault choppers.

Navy: Mostly comprised of coastal patrol boats. 1 battlecruiser (FCL naval flagship). Mostly comprised of subs.


Frankychanland defense is mostly auxiliaries, with various military complexes dotting the territory. Frankychanland's reputation is that if any nation was to invade it, it would be a Pyrrhic victory.

Weakness-

Technology. Basic 5:1 ratio. One highly trained soldier with proper equipment equals 10 FCL soldiers. Likewise for tanks. Navy is less, 3:1 ratio.

Against high technology nations with good SpecOps, Frankychanland usually loses in military campaigns. SpecOps done in FCL territory is extremely difficult to accomplish and once done, probably wouldn't happen again in the same manner. Barcoding helps prevent most terrorist attacks, but aren't impossible.

	18-05-2004 16:29									#256
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quote: Originally posted by GeneralTacticus You're aware that education levels can differ, right? Even if his soldiers are illiterate, they may still know how to operate absic equipment, and those who have to use more specialized stuff would get special training.

ok firing a rifle was an exageration, geez... but surely people relaise that flying modrn airplanes is not for high school dropouts, they need to be very smart people nowadays dealing with a lot of computer technology...

If he says he doesnt have smart people except for the people he hires in the nsurely some one here must see that to have that amount of planes in hte air he must have a good education system tooo.....

	18-05-2004 16:34									#257
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Auldonina.

Strengths : Large Navy due to our home beign an island. Medium sized airforce. All modern equipment.

We hav e alarge offensive Armour group

War experienced for amny years fighting the local rebels in Auldonina East and then the original terrorist wars in Azan and Western Apolyton.

Moral super high since the sinking of the Flagship (like USA after pearl harbour)


Weaknesses

Far from home supply line orientated.
Commanders can be a bit gun ho and take high risks....

	18-05-2004 21:27									#258
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quote: ok firing a rifle was an exageration, geez... but surely people relaise that flying modrn airplanes is not for high school dropouts, they need to be very smart people nowadays dealing with a lot of computer technology...

Well i've flown aircraft in simulations, im sure with abit of training i could manage it and i'm only just out of college
Intelligence is also, has been said, a variable depending on what you're looking at. I couldn't even point out anything other then "engine" on the inside of a car, since despite being measured several times to have a high IQ and currently studing for a degree in chemistry i know sod all about mechanics and kids who dropped out of school at 14/15 with the literacy of a 9y/o are currently earning more then me because they can fix that little machine with their eyes closed.

In short, my soldiers know what they need to know for their task, operating a tank does not require being able to write poetry, know how the respiratory system works or where the evolution of man began.


Ras tries his hand at sarcasm calling me invincible then posts his only weakness is that of his troops being far from home and he hasn't discovered how to teleport food to them??

	18-05-2004 21:51									#259
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quote: Originally posted by Rasputin Weaknesses Far from home supply line orientated. Commanders can be a bit gun ho and take high risks....

I think food is covered in "supply line orientated" [grits teeth and refrains from changing it to oriented]

	18-05-2004 22:01									#260
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Yep. They're starving.

Unofficially and strictly off the record, I can tell you that there are rumors of some sort of secret negotiations between Auldoninna and Guardinia. Supposedly, among other things, Auldoninna has requested assistance in dealing with their supply problems and Guardinia is considering what to do about it...
But of course, you did not hear this from me...

	18-05-2004 22:02									#261
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Hive
Strengths :
Very large modern airforce Best all round offense/defense possible for military
Extensive hi tech artillery/armour columns. Red army anyone?
Weapons of fear and mass destruction are in abundant supply. cool
Massive Infantry.
Well trained, highly fit troops compulsory service, enfored physical/martial art practise and good healthcare (namely the weak ones are put down at birth and the rest live on steroids )
Troops are very specialised doing their job their whole life

Weaknesses :
Navy is average tech and average sized. Semi-isolationist attitude, artillery/ missiles can focus on enemy navies around shores in defense
Forces are rather blunt and heavy handed drawing worldwide criticism flame throwers to cleanse urban areas, cruise missiles are second to indiscrimate large ordance weaponary etc (thats why we don't bother conquering, nothing left by the end )
Chemical/biological warfare is on the agenda when needed.
Violated just about every PoW convention there is with certain "camps"
Troops are very specialised (they've done very little other then "their job")

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	18-05-2004 22:06									#262
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Now that would be abit hypocritical of Guardinias foreign policy

	18-05-2004 22:08									#263
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Strengths
faster than a speeding bullet
x-ray vision
able to leap tall buildings in a single bound
strong like tractor

Weaknesses
kryptonite
lack of phone booths in the cel phone era

nice and balanced, Lazerus

	18-05-2004 22:15									#264
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With largest defence force in the region (99% of the world aswell) since i was at under 1bill pop, high arms manufacturing etc what am i supposed to trim ?

Everybody else has gone for a high average average or high high low.

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	18-05-2004 22:41									#265
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quote: Originally posted by Lazerus Now that would be abit hypocritical of Guardinias foreign policy

Do you think so or are you just stating what the Hive would think? Strictly hypothetically, of course.

	18-05-2004 23:31									#266
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quote: Originally posted by joncha Strengths faster than a speeding bullet x-ray vision able to leap tall buildings in a single bound strong like tractor Weaknesses kryptonite lack of phone booths in the cel phone era nice and balanced, Lazerus

	19-05-2004 02:24									#267
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The Hive's "bomb X":

Do we treat it as god-modding or WMD?

Either way, I'm not impressed.

	19-05-2004 03:14									#268
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It started off sounding like a daisy-cutter, but I think it's WMD. If not god-modding.

	19-05-2004 03:27									#269
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to the X-bomb.

	19-05-2004 04:59									#270
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quote: Originally posted by Lazerus With largest defence force in the region (99% of the world aswell) since i was at under 1bill pop, high arms manufacturing etc what am i supposed to trim ? Everybody else has gone for a high average average or high high low.

What are you supposed to trim? Whatever you want.