Apolyton Archive  |  Preserved copy of the Apolyton Civilization Site and its forums as they stood in September 2005. Read-only; nothing here can be posted to or replied to.  |  Forum index |  About this archive |  The 1998–2001 UBB forums
Today on Apolyton WARDELL INTERVIEW PROMO A.C.S. HISTORY CHAPTER 4 GET CIV4 /w FREE PLUS! A.C.S. PHOTO GALLERY GET A.O.M. V1.1
Apolyton Civilization Forums
main| civ2| civ3| civ4| smac| ctp2| ron| moo3| galciv| galciv2| alt| about|
ApolytonPLUS | register | search | faq | new posts | pm (-/-) | upload | members
hall of fame new! | civgroups | civgroups news | interviews | the column | radio | chat | directory | news | store | PLUS
Apolyton Civilization Forums : Powered by vBulletin version 2.0.3 Apolyton Civilization Forums > Miscellaneous > Archive > Off-Topic-Archive > Qaeda Leader Beheads U.S. Civilian in Iraq
Show a Printable Version | Email This Page to Someone! | Receive updates to this thread | Report this to Apolyton news!

bottom of page
  
Author
Thread   
Pages (14): [ <<   4   5   6   7   8   9   10     >> ]
< Last Thread     Next Thread > Post New Thread     Post A Reply
GePap is offline GePap
King
of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
time: 23:36
  Old Post 12-05-2004 19:49
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#181 Report this post to a moderator
Increase Your PM Length

So you agree with Tingkai the guy was asking for it?

Never tought you would say so, but I guess Texans hate Yankees so much they blame them for getting beheaded.

Ogie Oglethorpe is offline Ogie Oglethorpe
King
Marietta, GA
Dec 1999
time: 05:36
  Old Post 12-05-2004 19:50
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#182 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

Berg worked for Steinbrenner?

Tingkai is offline Tingkai
Warlord
To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
time: 13:36
  Old Post 12-05-2004 19:51
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#183 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

quote:
Originally posted by GePap


Sorry, I don't buy any of it. The guy was trying to go home when he was caught, so even if we accepted half of what you insinuate, he had seen the error of his way and was trying to get out.


He was released on April 6 and decided to stick around. The last time his family heard from him was April 9. He had told them that he was close to landing a contract.

GePap is offline GePap
King
of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
time: 23:36
  Old Post 12-05-2004 19:52
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#184 Report this post to a moderator
Tired of ads?

quote:
Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
Berg worked for Steinbrenner?


Quiet you Yankee refugee down south!

quote:
He was released on April 6 and decided to stick around. The last time his family heard from him was April 9. He had told them that he was close to landing a contract.


Wasn't he captured soon after that?

SlowwHand is offline SlowwHand
King
of The Cooler
Sep 1999
time: 23:36
  Old Post 12-05-2004 19:54 Visit SlowwHand's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#185 Report this post to a moderator
Tired of ads?

GePap, that was a dumb statement.
We may not always agree, but I'm honestly surprised by your remark.

Imran Siddiqui is offline Imran Siddiqui

Deity
The Potterverse
Jan 1970
time: 00:36
  Old Post 12-05-2004 19:55
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#186 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

quote:
A soldier is trained to never disobey. Never.


You are a piece of work... a soldier in the US armed forces is trained to disobey a superior's order if it violates international covenants on war. If a superior orders genocide, an American soldier has a DUTY to disobey!

--

And anyone else find it ironic that Sikander invokes Godwin's Law and then basically advocates genocide?

Tingkai is offline Tingkai
Warlord
To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
time: 13:36
  Old Post 12-05-2004 19:57
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#187 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

Kidnapped, yes.

Also, from AP:
An American civilian who was beheaded in a grisly video posted on an al-Qaeda-linked Web site had been warned to leave Iraq but refused, U.S. officials said Wednesday.
http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet.../BNStory/Front/

SlowwHand is offline SlowwHand
King
of The Cooler
Sep 1999
time: 23:36
  Old Post 12-05-2004 19:58 Visit SlowwHand's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#188 Report this post to a moderator
Enter the AD-FREE zone

Actually, a soldier is to carry out the order, and then file a grievance with his union representative.

Ogie Oglethorpe is offline Ogie Oglethorpe
King
Marietta, GA
Dec 1999
time: 05:36
  Old Post 12-05-2004 19:59
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#189 Report this post to a moderator
Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

quote:
Originally posted by GePap


Quiet you Yankee refugee down south!



Refugee is so blase. I prefer the term carpetbagger.

GePap is offline GePap
King
of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
time: 23:36
  Old Post 12-05-2004 20:01
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#190 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

OK, so he was not planning to leave-and that is meaningless. It is not reasonable to think: "Hmm, if I saty, I will be kidnapped and beheaded". The guy is purely a victim-there are hundreds if not thousands of western civilians in Iraq, and the don't become all darwin candidates for being murdered.

If the guy walked into a firefight, that is one thing. Getting kidnapped, nope, no longer his fault in any way.

MichaeltheGreat is offline MichaeltheGreat
Apolyton Grand Executioner
mooning the house that Ruth built.
Oct 1999
time: 21:36
  Old Post 12-05-2004 20:03
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#191 Report this post to a moderator
Full PM-box? Change here!

quote:
Originally posted by The diplomat
I think we need to keep things in their proper perspective. What we did to the prisoners in Abu Ghraib was inapropriate and wrong, but the beheading of this american is far far worse. And you don't see the terrorists apologizing or creating committees to find out what Bin Laden knew and when and if he should resign over this scandal. That's a difference between us and the terrorist. When we do something wrong, we apologize and punish the responsible. On the other hand, the terrorist actually think they are going to heaven and having sex with 70 virgins when they mutilate and kill an american.


Well, let's see here. I don't think anyone other than their fans doubts that the AQ *******s are murdering scum. That's been established for several years now. And they only get the virgins if they die in the attack, and any ol' infidel will do, no need for an American infidel.

quote:

In fact, I think our government goes overboard with the self-flagellation. As soon as there is even an allegation of inpropriety, we just love to create commissions and investigations to find someone to blame and tar and feather.


Yes, a few enlisted folk in grades from E3 to E5, and we then conclude these were isolated instances where the aforementioned enlisted folk acted on their own, and at worst, the only stink up top was a lack of proper supervision. So now that justice is done, let us remount that ol' moral high horse.

MichaeltheGreat is offline MichaeltheGreat
Apolyton Grand Executioner
mooning the house that Ruth built.
Oct 1999
time: 21:36
  Old Post 12-05-2004 20:12
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#192 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

quote:
Originally posted by DinoDoc
Actually it is on both sides. It's sad that the "Nuke'em until they glow" crowd and the equally stupid "All soldiers are murdering bastards" crowd don't mutually destroy each other.


Yep.

SlowwHand is offline SlowwHand
King
of The Cooler
Sep 1999
time: 23:36
  Old Post 12-05-2004 20:18 Visit SlowwHand's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#193 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

Who is disciplining Al Qaeda members, other than coalition efforts?
Who is court martialing them?
No one? Well ****merunning. Hard to believe.

MichaeltheGreat is offline MichaeltheGreat
Apolyton Grand Executioner
mooning the house that Ruth built.
Oct 1999
time: 21:36
  Old Post 12-05-2004 20:22
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#194 Report this post to a moderator
Full PM-box? Change here!

quote:
Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
quote:
A question for the nuke'em crowd: What in your opinion makes us better than the enemy?


Why do we need to be better than the enemy? I just want to win.


How do you define winning? Your fearless commander-in-chief continuously touts crap about "freedom loving" and "enemies of peace" and how Saddam was "brutal" and yada yada... All the rhetoric of moral superiority, and why we have a moral imperative approaching the level of a moral duty to invade a sovereign nation a third of the way around the world, in order to impose new leadership.

Yes, by all means, let's nuke 'em. First, since you're conveniently close, Drake, go on down to Hiroshima and Nagasaki. At Nagasaki, you might get a cynical chuckle over the poor SOB on guard duty, who had to take a leak at just the wrong time. His rifle, leather kit, and body are preserved (along with the drops on the wall from him taking a leak) by their carbon atoms that welded his silhouette into a stone wall. Let's see if we put ourselves on a par with the Einsatzgruppen in Kiev, or the Japanese in Nanjing, or Stalin's gulag. Yes, we'll "win." Win what, is the question?

Az is offline Az
King
MACEDONIA - It's the name of the sovereign country to the north of Greece
Apr 2000
time: 07:36
  Old Post 12-05-2004 20:25
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#195 Report this post to a moderator
Enter the AD-FREE zone

quote:

This is the treatment we give to the Arabs: whenever a person who happens to be Arabic does something barbarous, there's an immediate media attention.


lol: lol:

You're kidding, right?

MichaeltheGreat is offline MichaeltheGreat
Apolyton Grand Executioner
mooning the house that Ruth built.
Oct 1999
time: 21:36
  Old Post 12-05-2004 20:27
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#196 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

quote:
Originally posted by SlowwHand
Who is disciplining Al Qaeda members, other than coalition efforts?
Who is court martialing them?
No one? Well ****merunning. Hard to believe.


Newsflash: Al Qaeda members are terrorists and murderers by nature. It's their whole purpose. The only "discipline" for them is to be hunted down and killed.

Now compare them, to, say, the random four year old Iraqi kid, or 70 year old Iraqi grandma? What to do with them?

"Nits make lice."* Maybe we should try out that approach again?


* Historical trivia prize for anyone who knows where that quote came from (without googling it ).

SlowwHand is offline SlowwHand
King
of The Cooler
Sep 1999
time: 23:36
  Old Post 12-05-2004 20:30 Visit SlowwHand's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#197 Report this post to a moderator
Tired of ads?

And what I'm saying is what I've said all along; if terrorists are making it hard on them, make a decision.
If it's made, live with it.

Ogie Oglethorpe is offline Ogie Oglethorpe
King
Marietta, GA
Dec 1999
time: 05:36
  Old Post 12-05-2004 20:32
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#198 Report this post to a moderator
Increase the size of your Attachments

Had something to do with the Indian wars.

MichaeltheGreat is offline MichaeltheGreat
Apolyton Grand Executioner
mooning the house that Ruth built.
Oct 1999
time: 21:36
  Old Post 12-05-2004 20:36
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#199 Report this post to a moderator
Inflate your Upload Space

quote:
Originally posted by SlowwHand
And what I'm saying is what I've said all along; if terrorists are making it hard on them, make a decision.
If it's made, live with it.


Ah, so the average Iraqi civilian that has never seen these (non-Iraqi) AQ members, who knows nothing about them, should be exterminated because some other Iraqi, somewhere, is most likely helping them.

MrFun is offline MrFun
King
of Iowa
Nov 2000
time: 23:36
  Old Post 12-05-2004 20:37 Visit MrFun's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#200 Report this post to a moderator
Full PM-box? Change here!

quote:
Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat


Newsflash: Al Qaeda members are terrorists and murderers by nature. It's their whole purpose. The only "discipline" for them is to be hunted down and killed.

Now compare them, to, say, the random four year old Iraqi kid, or 70 year old Iraqi grandma? What to do with them?

"Nits make lice."* Maybe we should try out that approach again?


* Historical trivia prize for anyone who knows where that quote came from (without googling it ).



Without Googling -- "Nits make lice" was stated by a murderer of a child of a Mormon family in the 1840s or 1850s. Forgot where, exactly though.

Japher is offline Japher
Prince
Ook! Ook! Ack! Ack! Ack!
Jun 2002
time: 05:36
  Old Post 12-05-2004 20:39
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#201 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton

quote:
Ah, so the average Iraqi civilian that has never seen these (non-Iraqi) AQ members, who knows nothing about them, should be exterminated because some other Iraqi, somewhere, is most likely helping them.


No. Nor should they be exterminated by their leader for believing or having a different faith... Something that happens when such religious extremist get control over a country, damn theists.

MichaeltheGreat is offline MichaeltheGreat
Apolyton Grand Executioner
mooning the house that Ruth built.
Oct 1999
time: 21:36
  Old Post 12-05-2004 20:40
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#202 Report this post to a moderator
Get a bigger avatar today!

quote:
Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
Had something to do with the Indian wars.


Yep. From the testimony in the court-martial of Lt. Col. John Chivington over the Sand Creek massacre. Chivington had ordered that no prisoners be taken, and some of his men had taken Indian infants "prisoner" rather than kill them as ordered. "Nits make lice" was Chivington's confirmation of his order to kill them, whereupon they were placed on the ground and shot.

chegitz guevara is offline chegitz guevara
King
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:36
Thumbs down  Old Post 12-05-2004 20:43 Visit chegitz guevara's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#203 Report this post to a moderator
Inflate your Upload Space

quote:
Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn
Now the Iraqis have gone off the deep end only to piss off Americans even more


Yep, cuz everyone knows that all Arabs and Muslims are Iraqis. Zaqarwi is a Jordanian, not an Iraqi. We don't know what nationality the rest of those people were, only that they were associated with AQ. Most of the members of AQ are Saudis. But go ahead and blame the Iraqis.

I heard on NPR this morning that many Iraqis are shocked and outraged by this murder. But let's not let a little reality interfer with our sterotypes and hate on.

KILL 'EM ALL!

MrFun is offline MrFun
King
of Iowa
Nov 2000
time: 23:36
  Old Post 12-05-2004 20:46 Visit MrFun's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#204 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton

To be fair, I think Jimmy was using the word "Iraqis" in referring to the terrorists who murdered this American. But yeah, he should have clarified by including the word "terrorist" with "Iraqi." I think he just did a slip, that's all.

Even if he was mistakened about their nationality, I doubt Jimmy was blaming all Iraqis for this.

chegitz guevara is offline chegitz guevara
King
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:36
  Old Post 12-05-2004 20:47 Visit chegitz guevara's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#205 Report this post to a moderator
Tired of ads?

quote:
Originally posted by Berzerker
Interesting point though, we tend to dismiss atrocities committed by our side and demonise atrocities committed by the other side. That's why Indian savages massacred whites and whites defeated Indians in battles that were in fact massacres. That's the basis for racism too... A white guy murders a white or black person and no white person thinks white people are bad because of that crime, but if a black man murders a white person, then that's evidence for indicting black people (change the colors around, no difference).


Who are you and what have you done with Berzerker!?!

Sprayber is offline Sprayber

Emperor
Dixie
Oct 2000
time: 23:36
  Old Post 12-05-2004 20:48
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#206 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

quote:
Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat

"Nits make lice."* Maybe we should try out that approach again?


* Historical trivia prize for anyone who knows where that quote came from (without googling it ).



hmm seems like i heard that quote first on a mini series called Centennial way back in the day. Can't remember what officer said it in real life

MrFun is offline MrFun
King
of Iowa
Nov 2000
time: 23:36
  Old Post 12-05-2004 20:48 Visit MrFun's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#207 Report this post to a moderator
Full PM-box? Change here!

Sprayber -- I already gave the answer.

Sprayber is offline Sprayber

Emperor
Dixie
Oct 2000
time: 23:36
  Old Post 12-05-2004 20:51
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#208 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

quote:
Originally posted by MrFun
Sprayber -- I already gave the answer.


Where to the mormons come into it?

chegitz guevara is offline chegitz guevara
King
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:36
  Old Post 12-05-2004 20:51 Visit chegitz guevara's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#209 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

quote:
Originally posted by SlowwHand
How about this? State the objective, and get the hell out of their way.


Could you tell that to Bush?

Ogie Oglethorpe is offline Ogie Oglethorpe
King
Marietta, GA
Dec 1999
time: 05:36
  Old Post 12-05-2004 20:53
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#210 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

quote:
Originally posted by MrFun
Sprayber -- I already gave the answer.


Apparently the wrong one unless the Indians converted to Mormonity

Tass are there any Indians in your church?

 
Pages (14): [ <<   4   5   6   7   8   9   10     >> ]
< Last Thread     Next Thread > Post New Thread     Post A Reply
All times are GMT. The time now is 05:36.
Apolyton Time is 00:36.
    top of page
Rate This Thread:
archivepost
Forum Jump:
Forum Rules:
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is ON
vB code is ON
Smilies are ON
[IMG] code is ON
 




Contact Us - Apolyton Civilization Site - Support Us!

Building a better Apolyton through better information. Click here and take our poll!
Non-US visitors, click here!

Powered by: vBulletin Version 2.0.3
Copyright ©2000, 2001, Jelsoft Enterprises Limited.

Page generated in 0.0726 seconds (90.33% PHP - 9.67% MySQL) with 31 queries
Page Loading Time:

Support Apolyton: Amazon USA | Amazon UK | Amazon DE | Amazon FR |
Support Apolyton and get FREE PLUS, Buy from Chips&Bits: Galactic Civilizations | Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition | Call to Power 2 | Civilization: The Boardgame | GURPS/ Alpha Centauri | Alpha Centauri | Civilization IV | Civilization III: Complete |


Front Page | Civilization IV | Civilization III | Civilization II | Call to Power II | Alpha Centauri | Master of Orion III
Rise of Nations | Galactic Civilizations | Galactic Civilizations II | Misc
Alt.Civs | Civ I | C:CtP I | About | News | Directory | Apolyton Store | Forums | Chat | Columns | Interviews | Newsletter
Scenario League | CSC | Clash of Civs | Spanish Site | CtP Maps | Cradle of Civ | WesW's Ctp1/2 Site | Civ3 Haven

apolyton.net | apolyton.com | civilization2.net | civilization3.net | civilization4.net | civilizationiv.info | calltopower.net | galciv.net | galciv2.net | moo3.net