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Berzerker
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topeka, kansas,USA
May 1999
time: 23:36
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Interesting point though, we tend to dismiss atrocities committed by our side and demonise atrocities committed by the other side. That's why Indian savages massacred whites and whites defeated Indians in battles that were in fact massacres. That's the basis for racism too... A white guy murders a white or black person and no white person thinks white people are bad because of that crime, but if a black man murders a white person, then that's evidence for indicting black people (change the colors around, no difference).
Ever hear US politicians commenting on, no, defending support for Saddam during the Iran-Iraq War by claiming we didn't want either side to win? How would that make you feel as an Arab? Here were US politicians claiming they supported Saddam to effectively prolong a bloody war that took the lives of a ~million Arabs and maimed many more. But so many people here apparently don't understand how immoral that is and why so many Arabs hate our guts because of BS like that.
Nothing can justify murdering the innocent, NOTHING! No religion, no ideology, and no mob...
"Us & Them" - got the lyrics Slow?
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Ramo
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Austin, Texas, USA
Oct 1999
time: 23:36
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Incidentally:
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Michael Berg lashed out at the U.S. military and Bush administration, saying his son might still be alive had he not been detained by U.S. officials in Iraq without being charged and without access to a lawyer.
Nick Berg, a small telecommunications business owner, spoke to his parents on March 24 and told them he would return home on March 30. But Berg was detained by Iraqi police at a checkpoint in Mosul on March 24. He was turned over to U.S. officials and detained for 13 days.
His father, Michael, said his son wasn't allowed to make phone calls or contact a lawyer.
FBI agents visited Berg's parents in West Chester on March 31 and told the family they were trying to confirm their son's identity. On April 5, the Bergs filed suit in federal court in Philadelphia, contending that their son was being held illegally by the U.S. military. The next day Berg was released. He told his parents he hadn't been mistreated.
Michael Berg said he blamed the U.S. government for creating circumstances that led to his son's death. He said if his son hadn't been detained for so long, he might have been able to leave the country before the violence worsened. |
http://pennlive.com/newsflash/pa/in...30077760820.xml
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lightblue
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L'Boro, UK
Oct 2001
time: 05:36
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The main reason there will be no outrage in the Arab world is their whole concept of honour, vengeance and blood debt. The tribal structure of many of the arab countries means certain practises that stopped existing in Europe with the decline of the feudal system are still relatively common place and more easily accepted.
Certain of the practises done in the Abu Graib prison were designed to humiliate arab men to the maximum (women present when they were naked, homosexual activities etc), which is probably less acceptable in the Arab world than decapitation.
The decapitation is designed to get maximum revulsion points from the West, and it looks like they succeeded again (just as with Daniel Pearle, the Norwegians in Kashmir etc).
I am just not sure if western cultural values and arab islamic values will ever be compatible, at least in the foreseeable future.
At some times my initial gut instinct says that maybe the rules of engagement should change, as the whole tribal structure can be intimidated. I think of how WWII german forces tried to surpress any resistance by wiping villages of the face of the earth, deporting the families of those involved to the death camps and that sort of thing. But we should not descend to that level.
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Sikander
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Boulder, Colorado, United Snakes of America
Jan 2000
time: 22:36
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quote:
Originally posted by lightblue
The main reason there will be no outrage in the Arab world is their whole concept of honour, vengeance and blood debt. The tribal structure of many of the arab countries means certain practises that stopped existing in Europe with the decline of the feudal system are still relatively common place and more easily accepted.
Certain of the practises done in the Abu Graib prison were designed to humiliate arab men to the maximum (women present when they were naked, homosexual activities etc), which is probably less acceptable in the Arab world than decapitation.
The decapitation is designed to get maximum revulsion points from the West, and it looks like they succeeded again (just as with Daniel Pearle, the Norwegians in Kashmir etc).
I am just not sure if western cultural values and arab islamic values will ever be compatible, at least in the foreseeable future.
At some times my initial gut instinct says that maybe the rules of engagement should change, as the whole tribal structure can be intimidated. I think of how WWII german forces tried to surpress any resistance by wiping villages of the face of the earth, deporting the families of those involved to the death camps and that sort of thing. But we should not descend to that level. |
I think we should do what it takes to win, even if it involves manipulating the Arabs into behaving badly enough that we can perform some de facto genocide in "self defense". It's time for their culture to suffer a crisis which will transform it into something quite different. Otherwise it should be destroyed.
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Sir Ralph
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Long live teh Schwampel!
Dec 2001
time: 06:36
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Sikander,
it is an outrageous crime, committed by barbarians bare of the slightest sign of humanity. Hunt them down by all means, find them, try them and hang them on their own bowel. I will stand and applaud, even though I am normally against the death penalty.
But it's just that, a crime. Nothing less, but also nothing more. There is no need to carpet bomb and nuke an entire population as some nutjobs demand, or to call for a crusade, genocide or retaliation among family members as you do. Doing this, you lower yourself to their level. That's exactly what they want to achieve.
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