24-07-2004 03:11									#301
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Orders sent.

I'd like to point out that because Skanky has the University wonder, he could have already built some spaceship parts, and could be close to winning a space victory as well...

	24-07-2004 03:24									#302
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But he only just acquired the University wonder from me this last turn, so maybe he destroyed my spaceship parts but hasn't had a chance to build any of his own yet?

	24-07-2004 03:29									#303
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I think that spies can only act against other nations espionague- IE General Ludd could only disrupt Skywalker's espionague- he couldn't defend his Orders against all spies.

	24-07-2004 04:14									#304
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And my orders are in now.

	24-07-2004 04:14									#305
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This is the way it is now, correct. What I am suggesting is an alternative to that. If someone so chooses they could use a spy to defend one portion of their orders against one spy regardless of who sent it. It would limit the spies in that in your example the spy can defend against all espionage attacks from one other society, and in my example the spy can defend one type of espionage against all other societies (though if more than one spy is sent against it, the orders are still sabotaged).

Another thing, I think sending a spy at another nation should be considered an act of war, and afterwards the societies should then be at war (with no trade between them, and sneak attacks no longer necessary between them)

	24-07-2004 05:19									#306
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Am I correct that the only missing orders are Spaced's?

	24-07-2004 06:23									#307
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And one more thing about spies...

With it being suggested that they can be built, or that they are an act of war (and thus would not be used so freely) I think there should also be a cap of how many you can have, or can use in a single turn.... I think no more than 3 should be allowed.

	24-07-2004 06:26									#308
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orders are in.

	24-07-2004 19:56									#309
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a note: After I log off today, I won't be able to send next round orders until Apolyton Time 11:00 tommorrow

	24-07-2004 21:40									#310
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I do think that sabotaging espionage should only kill one spy per spy sent... and if two people sabotage each other's espionage, the two hit each other and nothing happens.

	26-07-2004 09:03									#311
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So what is happening with this game now?

	26-07-2004 09:20									#312
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To summarize, we are waiting to see if:

1) You are successful in taking over the rest of the world
2) Duke is successful in winning the Society OCC challenge game
3) The remaining players team up to destroy both of you, and thereby fight it out for the victory
4) Some other ending that I had not considered

(meanwhile those of us who have been eliminated wait in the wings for this game to be completed so a new game can start ...though this should be an interesting finish, and i look forward to seeing how it turns out! )

	26-07-2004 20:48									#313
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2150 AD

Espionage
Darkcloud sent a spy to sabotage Skanky's army production, and sent a spy along with Jonny to sabotage Duke O' York's special projects. Spaced Cowboy wanted to com along too, but Skanky had sabotaged his Espionage.

code:
Trade
Darkcloud ---------> Jonny
                 11 caravans 2789/2789
Darkcloud ---------> Spaced Cowboy
                   2 caravans 546/728
Jonny --------------> Darkcloud
                   8 Caravans 2028/2028
Jonny --------------> Spaced Cowboy
                   5 Caravans 1365/1820
Spaced Cowboy -> Darkcloud
                 14 Caravans 5096/3822
Duke O' York -----> Spaced Cowboy
                 15 Caravans 4725/6300

code:

 
    
    
 
      
Society
 
      
Cities
 
      
Tech
 
      
Army
 
      
Nukes
 
      
SDI
 
      
Gold
 
    
 

    
    
 
      
Jonny
 
      
15
 
      
15
 
      
179
 
      
1
 
      
0
 
      
4209
 
    
 

    
    
 
      
Skanky Burns
 
      
44
 
      
9
 
      
1382
 
      
0
 
      
0
 
      
2774
 
    
 

    
    
 
      
Darkcloud
 
      
19
 
      
15
 
      
234
 
      
0
 
      
0
 
      
8192
 
    
 

    
    
 
      
Spaced Cowboy
 
      
13
 
      
15
 
      
940
 
      
0
 
      
0
 
      
9872
 
    
 

Wonders of the World
The Tower of York in York WASTED
The Nubile Colosseum of Virgins (9B)
The Trojan Horse of Washintonia (10I)
The Acropolis of Spaced Dudes (7F)
The Silk road to Gregovia (5B)
The Gregorian Mafia (5A)
The Jihad of Paradise (2H)
The Gregorian Rifle Association (4B)
The Gregorian NASCAR races (4A)
The Unnamed KGB (1C)
The Trans Unnamed Railroad (2B)
The University of Unnamed (3C)
The Paradise-12 Project (1J)
The Unnamed Star Wars (2A)

Societies

Paradise
Monarchy
Jonny - Alive
Independent

New Offtopic
Monarchy
Darkcloud - Alive
Independent

Nubile Virgins
Republic
Skanky Burns - Alive
Independent

Gregoria
Despotism
General Ludd - Citizen of Nubile Virgins
Territory of Nubile Virgins

Spaced Homies
Republic
Spaced Dude - Alive
Independent

Washintonia
Despotism
Kuciwalker - Dead
Territory of Spaced Homies

Unamed
Monarchy
Sparrowhawk - Imprisoned
Vassal state of New Offtopic

York
Monarchy
Duke o' York - Radioactive corpse
Nuclear Wasteland

Wars
Skanky Burns-Spaced Cowboy
Darkcloud-Skanky Burns
Jonny-Skanky Burns

Tech Prices
10.Mass Education (55)
11. Nuclear Fission (89)
12. Miniaturization (144)
13. Space Flight (233)
14. The Laser (377)
15. Fusion Power (610)

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	26-07-2004 21:51									#314
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orders are in!

	26-07-2004 21:55									#315
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Hmm...

	26-07-2004 22:56									#316
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Nuking Star Wars...a wonder that offers protection from Nukes (4 nukes required to destroy cities, assuming it was the first city nuked, they used 4 nukes to destroy it correct??)

	27-07-2004 00:15									#317
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correct

	27-07-2004 01:55									#318
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quote: New Offtopic, no longer just strung along

So what does this mean, perchance?

orders sent- please answer my question in the 2nd of the 3 PMs I sent, Gamecube (Ignore the 1st PM, I sent it before I realized you had already updated the turn)

thanks again!

	27-07-2004 02:09									#319
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In all your other wars you didn't really do much... you took undefended cities or came to late to do anything.

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	27-07-2004 02:25									#320
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please edit out the last line of your response... I'll tell you why by Pm. Thank you for responding

	27-07-2004 07:17									#321
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Orders sent.

	27-07-2004 08:01									#322
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Orders in now.

	27-07-2004 14:59									#323
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All right then. Who nuked me?
I'm guessing it was Jonny, whose reputation has just fallen to Atrocious, and is the cause of an international incident!

I presume that Jonny and Skanky are now at war with one another, because nukes were sent to Skanky, therefore Skanky will be able to take all of Jonny's cities next turn, and not just those he neighbours. Go Skanky!

	28-07-2004 07:15									#324
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Read the rules, you can't nuke wonders unless there ain't any other targets.

	28-07-2004 07:17									#325
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ok... in that case duke is still dead, Skanky will get both wonders back, and 2 different cities will go.

	28-07-2004 07:26									#326
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if star wars took 5 nukes, shouldn't it be 6 cities?

	28-07-2004 07:30									#327
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Indeed, update tommorrow, map and stats updated.

	28-07-2004 07:40									#328
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Other than that, good job with the GMing. It looks like we'll be seeing a major nuclear exchange coming up, as the black wall ought to limit conventional actions.

Good job DarkCloud, you're doing better than my space-based successor Ljube. Next game I'll be back.

	28-07-2004 07:59									#329
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Couple other minor comments

Spaceship parts shouldn't be secret, I overlooked them in Cube's orders last game and when I finally noticed the game was over anyway.

Republic military support cost = number of armies. This is to reflect the smaller number of armies with the tech cost adjustment.

Excellent playing everyone, with possible exception of Kuciwalker This game isn't necesarrily a "last one standing" victory, but still...

	28-07-2004 08:08									#330
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Spaceships revealed then. Duke had one, Spaced has one, Darkcloud has one.