13-07-2004 21:32									#121
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quote: Originally posted by Gamecube64 Clarification on using spies on the trade phase, the spies destroy caravans made by the target player, but they still get full income from other people trading with them, because that is part of the income phase.

Nope, it's part of the trade phase. Spies intercept the ENTIRE trade phase.

	13-07-2004 21:44									#122
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Heheh, ICS lives on.

	13-07-2004 21:50									#123
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	13-07-2004 21:50									#124
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quote: Originally posted by Kucinich WTF? No! Espionage does not obsolesce the Horse.

quote: Nope, it's part of the trade phase. Spies intercept the ENTIRE trade phase.

Don't argue with he game master.



By the way, I think that clarifcation on the trade was made in response to a question I posed him. Believe me, it's good this way.

	13-07-2004 21:55									#125
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quote: 3. Trojan Horse- you get a spy every turn before Espionage (#7), and one extra after

	13-07-2004 22:07									#126
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd By the way, I think that clarifcation on the trade was made in response to a question I posed him. Believe me, it's good this way.

Oh, looking at the turn summary it seems you where trying to do what I asked him about.



Maybe you're right about the Trojan Horse, but "and one after" isn't very clear.

I guess it could mean either;

1) You keep geting spies from it after the discovery of espionage (but then why mention it?)

2) You get a single spy when that technology is reached (doesn't make much sense)

3) that you don't recieve a bonus spy and can only get one a turn. (This doesn't take into consideration that the player might not be the first to reach espionage technology - or perhaps the trojan horse was not intended to 'expire' untill the controler got the tech?)

Smiley wrote these rules.... let's ask him.

	13-07-2004 22:30									#127
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It says "one extra after". That would rule out your third option.

	13-07-2004 22:56									#128
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Horse fixed, it gives a spy every turn and once you get tech 7 you get 2 spies a turn, not obsolesce.

	13-07-2004 23:43									#129
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How did Skanky get 457 gold?

	13-07-2004 23:48									#130
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quote: Originally posted by Jonny How did Skanky get 457 gold?

His 18 cities.

	14-07-2004 00:06									#131
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd His 18 cities.

But he's still under Despotism, and thus can only collect taxes from a maximum of 6 cities only...

	14-07-2004 00:45									#132
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Skanky's gold has been owned.

	14-07-2004 01:04									#133
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Whoa, I suqxors. schent!

	14-07-2004 01:06									#134
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quote: Originally posted by Gamecube64 Skanky's gold has been owned.

That's good. I wasn't exactly comfortable with him bordering me...

	14-07-2004 01:06									#135
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It says that tech 5 costs 1 gold, spaced.

	14-07-2004 01:21									#136
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quote: Originally posted by Jonny But he's still under Despotism, and thus can only collect taxes from a maximum of 6 cities only...

Oh yeah.




He was making me nervous, too.

	14-07-2004 01:24									#137
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Ah, but another thing to look into: Duke only has 63 gold despite recieving 115 from other people trading with him.

	14-07-2004 01:29									#138
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I thought I had a reason for that one... but I can't remember...

	14-07-2004 03:02									#139
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I believe my gold is wrong (and I am guessing the mistake is that I am in Monarchy, netting 1.5 times the gold from trade and taxes)

King Sparrowhawk

	14-07-2004 03:12									#140
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Not sure I understand new cities, but if this is true...

quote: Big bucks, big expansion Skanky Burns surprised the world by spending 228 gold on a total of 13 new cities, making his empire by far the largest.

Wouldn't the cost have been more then 228 Gold??
He had 5 cities at the start of his turn so cities 6-13 would have cost...
6 - 18 Gold
7 - 21 Gold
8 - 24 Gold
9 - 27 Gold
10 - 30 Gold
11 - 33 Gold
12 - 36 Gold
13 - 39 Gold (total of 6 - 13 is 228 Gold)

14 - 42 Gold
15 - 45 Gold
16 - 48 Gold
17 - 51 Gold
18 - 54 Gold (total of 14 - 18 is 240 Gold)

So total of Cities 6-18 would be 468 Gold Correct?

	14-07-2004 03:15									#141
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You are correct sir.

	14-07-2004 04:42									#142
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Oh yeah now i see... he didn't build 13 cities, he built up to 13 cities..

Sparrowhawk and Skanky fixed.

	14-07-2004 05:47									#143
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Re: Trojan Horse
Originally it gave you one spy even before you had espionage, but none extra afterwards. people felt this was underpowered, so it got changed to one extra spy every turn, meaning you get 1 when there are none normally, and 2 after espionage.

Re: Trade sabotage
Entire turn, both sending and recieving get sabotaged.

	14-07-2004 06:07									#144
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quote: Originally posted by Smiley Re: Trade sabotage Entire turn, both sending and recieving get sabotaged.

But that allows for a loop hole where you can send all of your caravans to someone and then sabatoge their trade so that you get benefits from it and they don't - effectively bypassing the entire point of trade, which is that it's a two-way deal and that you have to give someone else a bonus to recieve yours.


Or would disrupting someone's trade also prevent the sender from recieving money?

I suppose you could also add an ammendment saying that you can't disrupt a trading partner.

	14-07-2004 06:53									#145
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Skanky isn't fixed - he has 17 cities currently.

	14-07-2004 07:10									#146
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Thats only what the map says... no one ever listens to a map.

fixed

	14-07-2004 07:10									#147
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quote: But that allows for a loop hole where you can send all of your caravans to someone and then sabatoge their trade so that you get benefits from it and they don't - effectively bypassing the entire point of trade, which is that it's a two-way deal and that you have to give someone else a bonus to recieve yours.

But you burn up a spy in the process, so it's not an exploit.

	14-07-2004 08:52									#148
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Orders Sent!

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	14-07-2004 08:58									#149
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I liked it much better when I had massive amounts of gold.

Orders sent.

	14-07-2004 13:26									#150
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Sent.

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In fact, I could call myself the duke o' Switzerland.
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