15-07-2004 04:16									#181
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Giving sparrow the NRA.

or not. You only budgetted 26 gold for it, it requires 81.

your money is correct as it is.

Last edited by Gamecube64 on 15-07-2004 at 04:30

	15-07-2004 04:34									#182
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okay, I see where I messed up about the wonders (missed the base cost of the square of it's tech level part )

I don't understand the Tax income and my gold calculations (I get 10 cities x 9 Science x 5 x 1.5 Monarchy = 675) but I must be missing something.

Thanks for the quick response!!

	15-07-2004 04:36									#183
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	15-07-2004 05:39									#184
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I call bullshit on some of those numbers.

For one, I sabotages Ludd's trade. Even holding to your thing, his other trades shouldn't have given him money.

Spaced's trade should only have netted him 136 gold, which added to the 10 gold he got from taxes allows him to build 29 armies.

I think you should check the rest of your numbers, too.

	15-07-2004 05:48									#185
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker I call bullshit on some of those numbers. For one, I sabotages Ludd's trade. Even holding to your thing, his other trades shouldn't have given him money.

I lost all the profit from my trade in that turn, otherwise I would've been two tech levels higher, have a new wonder, and also a larger army.


But thankfully almost everyone else reconized what a benevolent leader I am and chose Griegoria to trade with so I ended up with a base of 1162 gold this turn, plus any that was left over from the previous.

[tax](6x7x5)+ [trade](175 x 4) + 252 = 1162

(Expect the same thing to happen to sparrowhawk this turn, now that he has the tech lead)

quote: Hmm, I had thought that spies would essentially remove a player from the market for a turn (others can't trade with them either), though let this run and see what happens.

That would've screwed up 6 player's turn orders in this situation. I think the way Gamecube has decided to manage it is more intune with the strength of the other possible espionage attacks.


EDIT: And Spaced Cowboy's trade is right, too. He has a republic which means his trade profits are 4x7x4x2=224 and his costs are 4+7x4=44 which makes the net income 224-44=180

with his city income that brings it to 190

43x4= 172 spent on army

and 6+9=15 spent on cities.

190-(172+15)= 3 gold left over.

	15-07-2004 06:14									#186
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There've been a lot of errors in this game...

	15-07-2004 06:19									#187
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??? I thought I built 3 cities????

	15-07-2004 06:20									#188
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd EDIT: And Spaced Cowboy's trade is right, too. He has a republic which means his trade profits are 4x7x4x2=224 and his costs are 4+7x4=44 which makes the net income 224-44=180 with his city income that brings it to 190 43x4= 172 spent on army and 6+9=15 spent on cities. 190-(172+15)= 3 gold left over.

However looking at it again it maybe Spaced should have more cash this turn.

His tax income is 3x5x5x2=150 Plus 3 gold left over (or did he need that for tech level 5?)

Unless I'm missing some factor.

Edit: I did miss a factor, the army upkeep. But it should still be higher; 150-43=107 ...

Unless I'm missing some other factor.

	15-07-2004 06:20									#189
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quote: There've been a lot of errors in this game...

Sounds like a volunteer to GM next game

(Seriously though, I sympathesize with Gamecube or anyone else who has to GM this game, it is very complicated to track the many levels the game is working on)

	15-07-2004 06:26									#190
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quote: Originally posted by Sparrowhawk (Seriously though, I sympathesize with Gamecube or anyone else who has to GM this game, it is very complicated to track the many levels the game is working on)

Yes, it can't be fun at all (especially with everyone being more than eager to point out all his mistakes. ). He's either extremely generous or a masochist for doing it.

Seriously... there are computer games that probably have less required arithmetic than this.

	15-07-2004 06:36									#191
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Spaced's true gold is 142, 8 for upkeep.

	15-07-2004 06:39									#192
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Why only 8 upkeep? He has 43 armies.

	15-07-2004 06:58									#193
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Republic upkeep is armies/tech
Monarchy upkeep is armies/cities

	15-07-2004 07:02									#194
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Orders Sent!

	15-07-2004 07:28									#195
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quote: Originally posted by Gamecube64 Republic upkeep is armies/tech

Not under the current rules.

	15-07-2004 07:29									#196
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quote: Originally posted by Gamecube64 Republic upkeep is armies/tech Monarchy upkeep is armies/cities

Ah, that would explain it. I was under the impression that monarchy was .5 gold for each army and republic was 1 gold for each army.

	15-07-2004 07:30									#197
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Hmm... now I see why everyone wants the NRA so much.
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	15-07-2004 07:44									#198
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Orders in.

	15-07-2004 09:34									#199
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Gamecube, I believe Tech 9's cost should now be down to 119 (from 136) since Sparrowhawk researched it last turn...

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	15-07-2004 16:32									#201
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sent

	15-07-2004 20:40									#202
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quote: Just to clarify (since you could sort of mean two things by what you said) an army's price is equal to the tech level. So if you have tech level 7 and 40 armies, each new army will cost 7 gold. (rather than the next one costing 280 gold ie, 7x40)

Ah, okay, I didn't understand that

Oh Smiley, want to take your nation back after this turn? (I already sent my orders)

	15-07-2004 21:03									#203
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Sent.

	15-07-2004 22:15									#204
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Gamecube,

Can you please correct my city count. I wanted to build three more cities, not up to 3. Here is the pm of my previous orders.

Send 4 caravans to darkcloud (4*7)-(4+7)= 17

57

build three cities if possible (where ever they will fit). (2+3+4)*3=27
buy me tech level 5 (cost??)
spend the rest on armies until the gold is gone.

<>Note: IMO I should have only bought 7 armies.

	15-07-2004 22:33									#205
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Fided, and kucinich takes 3 less causualties. will put the city on the map when processing next turn.

	15-07-2004 23:10									#206
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If he only had seven armies, I should have taken a city, at least.

	16-07-2004 00:17									#207
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Yes, but his orders say to build armies until he is out of gold, not 7.

	16-07-2004 03:17									#208
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Gamecube,

I thought that armies cost your tech level. Hence How did I get 37 armies? 37*4=148. I did not have that much gold.

	16-07-2004 03:27									#209
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actually armies are purchased after science research, so it would have cost you 37 * 5 = 185 Gold for your armies.

Taken from first page:

quote: 3a. Production: Scientific Research 3b. Production: Military (armies, nukes, SDI)

quote: Buy armies with Gold. The cost per army is your Tech Level.

	16-07-2004 03:32									#210
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Good catch SH, I was too lazy to go and look at page 1.