08-07-2004 03:32									#91
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski BTW Lj is offering an alliance again. I bet he attacks me regardless. -Jam

You lose Jamski. But you lose anyway.

Now see where your distrust has led us. I can only hope you'll learn from your mistakes.

	08-07-2004 04:09									#92
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Forgot to post: orders sent a while back.

	08-07-2004 04:36									#93
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Looks like I'm using Vlad's strategy this game.

	08-07-2004 04:50									#94
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Sent.

	08-07-2004 06:51									#95
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Skanky, you here?

	08-07-2004 06:53									#96
	Round 2 Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

Overlord Smiley sent a lone ship to Ljube's new bases which have been left undefended. Resistance was quickly suppressed and the bases now added to his growing total.

Overlord Chaunk was pleased with his much improved industrial capacity, launching the first Dreadnaught class ships. One was sent towards the defenceless DrSpike...

Warchief Spaced Cowboy went on the warpath, sending a large laser fleet to Smiley who also had a large laser fleet waiting in defence.

code:
RAW DATA
Spaced		Smiley
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21 lasers	0 fighters
21 lasers	0 fighters
0 fighters	15 lasers
0 fighters	15 lasers
0 torpedoes	0 torpedoes
0 torpedoes	0 torpedoes

Close, default	Close, spread

ADJUSTED DATA
Spaced		Smiley
-----------------------------------
76 lasers	0 fighters
76 lasers	0 fighters
0 fighters	60 lasers
0 fighters	60 lasers
0 torpedoes	0 torpedoes
0 torpedoes	0 torpedoes

Spaced's fleet takes 120 damage
Smiley's fleet takes 152 damage

code:
RAW DATA
Gamecube64	Ljube
-----------------------------------
12 torpedoes	0 lasers
6 fighters	0 lasers
9 lasers	20 torpedoes
9 lasers	20 torpedoes
6 fighters	0 fighters
12 torpedoes	0 fighters

Close, default	Back, bunch

ADJUSTED DATA
Gamecube64	Ljube
-----------------------------------
48 torpedoes	0 lasers	Ljube takes 48 hits
6 fighters	0 lasers	Ljube takes  6 hits
9 lasers	40 torpedoes	Gamecube64 takes 31 hits
9 lasers	40 torpedoes	Gamecube64 takes 31 hits
6 fighters	0 fighters	Ljube takes  6 hits
48 torpedoes	0 fighters	Ljube takes 48 hits

Gamecube64's fleet takes 62 damage
Ljube fleet takes 108 damage

Last edited by Skanky Burns on 08-07-2004 at 07:51

	08-07-2004 06:54									#97
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Dreadnaughts(4)
 
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Gamecube64
 
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Kassiopeia
 
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GeneralTacticus
 
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Jamski
 
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Last edited by Skanky Burns on 08-07-2004 at 17:55

	08-07-2004 07:19									#98
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Wait, how did Jamski build ships? Conquered bases don't count towards maximum ship size.

	08-07-2004 07:21									#99
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Something still needs to be worked out with the combat system. I destroyed LL's fleet before he even had the chance to fire his lasers.

	08-07-2004 07:48									#100
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Combat 1.1 seems to work better with larger, balanced fleets.

Hmmm, looks like I'll have to erase Jams conquest.

	08-07-2004 07:52									#101
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Thanks. Looks like we're gonna need Combat 1.2 soon.

	08-07-2004 07:55									#102
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Orders sent.

	08-07-2004 07:55									#103
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Sent.

	08-07-2004 08:00									#104
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Tents.

	08-07-2004 08:01									#105
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I would have blown Ljubes fleet to smithereens before he could fire also.

	08-07-2004 08:08									#106
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On the bright side, turns will get processed a lot quicker now. Something tells me there's going to be quite a traffic jam over... Jam's bases the next round.

	08-07-2004 08:13									#107
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sent

	08-07-2004 12:08									#108
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Jam's conquest?

?

You mean my gamble would have worked, had I been able to build ships?

Damn these rules I wrote!

As for entire fleets on both sides being destroyed... this is what happens with very one-sided fleet set-ups like all lasers. They hit VERY hard before going boom due to no defenses. A risk worth taking? Some would say so.

-Jam

	08-07-2004 12:26									#109
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You would have doubled your number of bases had you been able to build ships. Alas.

Combat 1.2
Damage is now done in real-time.
Each rounds damage destroys enemy ships before the next line is processed.

Comments?

We will continue to use combat 1.1 for this current round, and if no objections then 1.2 will be implemented for round 3 and onwards.

	08-07-2004 12:29									#110
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Sounds good. It would certainly discourage people from building fleets armed with only one weapon type, as it would make their actions far mroe predictable.

	08-07-2004 12:32									#111
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Actually Skanky, that was EXACTLY what I would have done in 1.2 - and not a rule more or less. I wouldn't reduce a fleet's capacity to attack after some ships are destroyed, as this gets complicated, but I would stop the combat short as soon as one fleet takes enough damage to be eliminated.

I don't suggest you try and keep track of which ships were destroyed in each round and adjust the combat values downwards as the death count goes higher. That way lies insanity.

Ok, it would be nice as a player, but it would be GM HELL.
(Unless you have a nice Excel program already?)

-jam

	08-07-2004 12:41									#112
	Put an end to popups!

No, but I really should be building one.
Nice idea.

	08-07-2004 15:00									#113
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Skanky, did I lose a base for some reason?

	08-07-2004 16:52									#114
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Skanky, I should have a torpedo battleship, not a fighter battleship...

Btw, who did Jamski try to conquer?

I'm in favor of already 'destroyed' ships not being able to fire in the second round of battle. But perhaps let damaged ones retreat directly to some base...

Put in this way, if in a battle the attacker is a victor, he takes as many bases which are undefended by a defenders damaged ships from the first round. It sounds more balanced IMO that an empire is not completely overwhelmed in one strike. Also, if a second warlord pressed an attack on the same defender, he has a change of taking some lowly defended bases as well, and the choice of pressing attack regardless of the owner becomes more importantly.

Does this explanation makes sense?

Last edited by GeoModder on 08-07-2004 at 17:13

	08-07-2004 17:56									#115
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If combat is supposed to be fought in rounds then combat rules 1.2 are OK. But if combat is real-time as it is, then the damage is done not in phases but simultaneously, so a smaller fleet with superior tactics could in theory overcome a larger one.

I think we should keep riles 1.1, but rules 1.2 are also OK, although it’s a different ball game.

In other words, both solution are possible, so it's GM's choice.

	08-07-2004 18:08									#116
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Considering the number of errors each round so far, I think we will leave it at the current level of complication for a round or two at least.

Good thing I keep a copy of everyone's orders.

	08-07-2004 18:21									#117
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I think that we should go ahead and play this one as is, unless everyone agrees to the change. I think that realtime would be the best way to go about it, but would be extremely difficult for the GM even with an excel file to help.

I like the idea that a smaller fleet with superior tactics being able to take down a bigger fleet, but I do not suspect that it will happen often.

What does not make sense to me is that you do enough damage to wipe out your opponent on the first volley, but continue to give and take damage on the other 5 volleys.

	08-07-2004 18:58									#118
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When I scripted it as GM, I thought of it as ships being mortally damaged, but still being able to put out a little more fight. Well, we'll give this new set of rules a try, see how it goes.

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