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The Emperor Fabulous is offline The Emperor Fabulous
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I probably wouldn't have posted it, except for the fact that it's in :shock: PENNSYLVANIA :vomit:

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HARRISBURG, Pennsylvania (AP) -- A state appeals court ruled that a verbal agreement between a woman and her sperm donor was invalid, and ordered the man to pay child support for the woman's twins.

The three-judge panel ruled Thursday that the deal between Joel McKiernan and Ivonne Ferguson -- in which McKiernan donated his sperm and would not be obligated to pay any support -- was unenforceable because of "legal, equitable and moral principles."

Despite an agreement that appeared to be a binding contract, the father is obligated to provide financial support, the court decided.

"It is the interest of the children we hold most dear,"' wrote Senior Judge Patrick Tamalia.

McKiernan's attorney said he may appeal.

The decision could have implications for sperm and egg donors who expect anonymity, said Arthur Caplan, a professor and medical ethicist at the University of Pennsylvania.

"Anybody who is a sperm donor ought to understand that their identity could be made known to any child that's produced, and they could be seen by the courts as the best place to go to make sure the child has adequate financial support," he said Friday.

According to the trial judge's opinion, Ferguson and McKiernan met while working together and had a two-year affair. The relationship waned by late 1993, when Ferguson convinced McKiernan to act as a sperm donor with no responsibility for any child born as a result, the opinion said.

McKiernan, who has paid up to $1,520 a month in support since losing the case at trial, said he was not pleased with the ruling, but declined to comment further.

Ferguson's lawyer, Elizabeth Hoffman, said there was never evidence of an agreement between the two in which McKiernan would not have to pay any support.

"There was no evidence except his word and her word and it was a matter of credibility," he said.


When a man donates sperm to a woman so that she can have a child, whether anonymous or not, he should have no obligation to pay for that child. The child is hers, it is her decision, he only donated so that she could have a child. **** verbal agreement, there should be no moral obligation where donation is the subject, period. If you can't care for a child, you shouldn't get a donation in the first place. It's not the donor's responsibility once she finds out that she can't take care of the child. While we should hold each child dear and support it as members of society, I oppose this simply because it has an impact both on donations themselves to women who can support children and the safety of men to be free from exploitation by women who will choose rich donors so they can suck money out of them.

Yet another reason I dislike PA...

Shi Huangdi is offline Shi Huangdi
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This is just retarded.

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Yep.

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Serves him right for reproducing.

Shi Huangdi is offline Shi Huangdi
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Unfortunately, from what I hear, PA is infamous for having notoriously woman-biased justices. They simply don't care at all about the rights of the man, and render verdicts such as this that can be financially crippling.

In any case, this ruling while it may sound good to women is in fact a curse in disguise. If it is established that men cannot donate sperm without fear of being hit with a child support payment, men will not donate sperm and women will lose the ability to get pregnant this way should they choose.

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Ironically, I'm sitting in Harrisburg right now. This sounds like a candidate for the "Stupid Laws" website, of which PA has some real winners.

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I thought all kids were born into nuclear families in Harrisburg these days.

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I was in high school when that started.

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Not so pleasant when you think about it. I was 12 at the time, but I remember it well. It was all over the news for a long time back then.

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How is any different from just unprotected sex that leads to pregnancy?

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How is any different from just unprotected sex that leads to pregnancy?

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How about an answer, alva?

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Now, if this would be from sperm bank, I'd be concerned. But it was just a verbal agreenment. From what we know, they might just have engaged in... uhm, break-up sex, and when the woman informed of the little misshap, the guy quickly made up this story.

Allways write your deals down, word is nothing these days.

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If it is established that men cannot donate sperm without fear of being hit with a child support payment, men will not donate sperm and women will lose the ability to get pregnant this way should they choose.

Az, you really need to work on that trolling more. That wasn't even laughably lame, let alone interesting or provoking.

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Az, you really need to work on that trolling more. That wasn't even laughably lame, let alone interesting or provoking.




*sulks in corner*

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$1600 per month is almost $20k per year. That's a huge chunk out of any man's income. I'd be tempted to move to Brazil just so I wouldn't have to pay this unjust verdict. The lesson learned is trust no one and get it in writing.

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I would also recommend getting a written form before hitting it in any case, to prevent misery after condom breaking, etc.

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Bah, you'll never get laid if you act like that.

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"Yet another reason I dislike PA..."
"PA is infamous for having notoriously woman-biased justices"

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How about an answer, alva?

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He probably needs a Massey prenupt!

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I think he should pay. Think of the children!

no seriously. I'm just looking for some consistancy in these rulings.

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Now, if this would be from sperm bank, I'd be concerned. But it was just a verbal agreenment. From what we know, they might just have engaged in... uhm, break-up sex, and when the woman informed of the little misshap, the guy quickly made up this story.

Allways write your deals down, word is nothing these days.


exactly. How was this sperm donated anyhow?

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"Yet another reason I dislike PA..."
"PA is infamous for having notoriously woman-biased justices"



isn't that better than men-biased justices?

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Bah, you'll never get laid if you act like that.

So, you would like to have the risk of having to pay up for something that is not your fault?

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exactly. How was this sperm donated anyhow?


Straight to the recipient?

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He almost deserves it for relying on a verbal contract.

But since the court apparently accepts the existence of the contract, he should not have been forced to pay.

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How is any different from just unprotected sex that leads to pregnancy?


Firstly, verbal contract that she has decided to go back on, though thats not a legal argument, just an ethical one. Secondly, the sperm was provided on an anonymous basis, and whereas the man is responsible for his ejaculation leading to conception, his ejaculation here did not, and it was her actions and that of her doctors ( ) that lead to conception. Effectively, she's taken his DNA and misused it under the terms of their agreement, or rather broken the terms of that agreement where he merely provides his sperm and is not responsible for the ensuing pregnancy.

 
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