29-07-2004 09:07									#181
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo Granholm (Michigan Governor) isn't a bad speaker. And she isn't bad looking (hittable if she were younger ).

One of the best things about my home state.

She too would make a good President. But, alas, she's Canadian.

	29-07-2004 09:09									#182
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Kerry needs to hit a homerun

It doesn't matter how good all the other speeches are.

If he doesn't come out with fire and conviction he's not going to get anywhere

If people don't feel motivated and hopeful after watching him, he is going to lose

This is going to be the most important speech of his career

	29-07-2004 09:30									#183
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo Did your spine become gelatinous through some freak accident, or were you born that way? Anyways Edwards was fine tonight, but he essentially covered the same themes as Obama in a less eloquent and less effective way.

Ignoring your un-called for slander, I recall a commentator who said that Dean implied that the Bush administration was facist-like. Unless I am misunderstood what the commentator said.

	29-07-2004 09:38									#184
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It's not uncalled for or slander. You're parroting the rediculous comments of some partisan hack on CNN without bothering to verify the claims for yourself. This is yet more proof that you have a spine of a jellyfish.

Anyways, here's the speech. Find me where he claims the Bush administration is fascist:

http://www.indystar.com/articles/5/165813-9385-010.html

	29-07-2004 10:50									#185
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I'm a Republican, and I'm voting Bush.

Nevertheless, I have to say that Sharpton had it goin' on!

	29-07-2004 10:51									#186
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"We didn't get no forty acres, we didn't get no mule, so we're gonna ride this donkey for all it's worth!"

	29-07-2004 11:00									#187
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo It's not uncalled for or slander. You're parroting the rediculous comments of some partisan hack on CNN without bothering to verify the claims for yourself. This is yet more proof that you have a spine of a jellyfish. Anyways, here's the speech. Find me where he claims the Bush administration is fascist: http://www.indystar.com/articles/5/165813-9385-010.html

So then I made a mistake.

You never make any mistakes?

	29-07-2004 11:27									#188
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No, but I try not to blindly accept the bald assertions of partisan hacks. You know, this is part of a pattern. You ought to try to do your own analysis instead of co-opting the positions of others.

	29-07-2004 12:01									#189
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Well to be fair after the scream, it's very easy for people to believe Dean is insane.

	29-07-2004 12:02									#190
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Why didn't they pull Sharpton after the first ten minutes he ran over?

	29-07-2004 12:08									#191
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You mean, after the media played a somewhat unusual rallying speech constantly for a rediculous amount of time? Characterizing the scream as something more than a little eccentric is inane.

	29-07-2004 12:09									#192
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Because it'd look bad, and it doesn't matter anyhow (since there's plenty of filler).

	29-07-2004 12:09									#193
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The voters didn't see it that way.

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You doubt that you would look like a deranged lunatic if the media covered one of your eccentricities 24/7?

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	29-07-2004 12:16									#195
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Speaking of which did Dean punctuate his speach with a primal scream?

	29-07-2004 12:25									#196
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Sadly, no. It would've been great if he did.

	29-07-2004 16:47									#197
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quote: Nevertheless, I have to say that Sharpton had it goin' on!

Hell yeah, that was one of the best rabble rousing speeches I've ever seen. The ending about Ray Charles was brilliant too.

	29-07-2004 19:06									#198
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In his speech, Edwards said about Al Queda, "You cannot run, you cannot hide. We will destroy you."

How do you Democrats feel about that? I mean that is the kind of thing Bush says all the time, and the Left accuses Bush of warmongering and baiting the terrorists.

How come it is ok for a Democrat to say that but it is not ok for a republican to say that?

And how will Kerry and Edwards destroy the terrorists since they don't support the means necessary to do it?

	29-07-2004 19:21									#199
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diplomat . . . . I saw Edwards's speech, and I thought all of it was great, including the anti-terrorist statement you pointed out.


As for warmongering, I don't recall myself ever bashing Bush relentlessly for that per say, but rather for his false pretensions, and deliberate deceptions that he has made on the American people.

	29-07-2004 19:22									#200
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quote: And how will Kerry and Edwards destroy the terrorists since they don't support the means necessary to do it?

Such as?

	29-07-2004 19:22									#201
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Another thing diplomat . . . . . Edwards pointed out in that SAME speech HOW Kerry's administration WILL have the means to fight terrorism.

	29-07-2004 21:07									#202
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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat In his speech, Edwards said about Al Queda, "You cannot run, you cannot hide. We will destroy you." How do you Democrats feel about that? I mean that is the kind of thing Bush says all the time, and the Left accuses Bush of warmongering and baiting the terrorists. How come it is ok for a Democrat to say that but it is not ok for a republican to say that? And how will Kerry and Edwards destroy the terrorists since they don't support the means necessary to do it?

i was glad Edwards said it. I have no problems when Bush says it either, I have problems with Bush on other issues. What I wanted was evidence that Kerry-Edwards will be at least as good as Bush on security.

Edwards saying that was good. Even better was his commitment to winning in Iraq, his statement that Syria and Iran should not be allowed to stop Iraqi democracy, his statement that this can lead to a new era of freedom and peace in the middle east, and his connecting that to the security of Israel.

I eagerly await Kerrys speech.

	29-07-2004 21:14									#203
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quote: Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous I hate, I hate, I hate American politics. Judy Woodruff and Wolf Blitzer are going on about "oh, this isn't what the Democrats want, and this isn't what the Kerry campaign wants" If this isn't what the Democrats want, the delegates wouldn't have been fired up as much as they were. I really wish that Americans would learn to accept fiery politicians...it's like you can't show emotion on stage these days. It's truly pathetic.

what the delegates want and what party higher ups want isnt always the same thing. The dem delegates are activists, often union members - at this convention a lot of them are NEA members. If theyre elected officials, theyre often from "safe districts" - they want "red meat" which may turn off the swing voters the party higher ups are worried about. The Republicans will have the same problem with their fundies. This is a routine problem at recent conventions, and its part of what the higher ups and presidential candidates have to manage.

	29-07-2004 21:19									#204
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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat In his speech, Edwards said about Al Queda, "You cannot run, you cannot hide. We will destroy you." How do you Democrats feel about that? I mean that is the kind of thing Bush says all the time, and the Left accuses Bush of warmongering and baiting the terrorists.

I thought it was cheesy, but it plays to the crowd.

quote: How come it is ok for a Democrat to say that but it is not ok for a republican to say that?

Who said its not OK for republicans to say it? They just don't follow through

quote: And how will Kerry and Edwards destroy the terrorists since they don't support the means necessary to do it?

The only thing they have voted against was the 87 billion dollar package (they voted for Afghanistan and for Iraq wars)

	29-07-2004 21:24									#205
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quote: Originally posted by GePap The only thing they have voted against was the 87 billion dollar package (they voted for Afghanistan and for Iraq wars)

and edwards at least said he was for the money, but wanted the admin to give more info and be more accountable. I expect that will be discussed ad nauseum in the next few months.

	29-07-2004 21:26									#206
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quote: I thought it was cheesy, but it plays to the crowd.

I must be one of the crowd, i thought it was excellent and necessary. If anything because it makes SOME dems, like our good poster above, uncomfortable, and Edwards showed hes willing to make such people uncomfortable. Its not a question of playing to the crowd, but of which crowd youre playing to.

	29-07-2004 21:34									#207
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark quote: I thought it was cheesy, but it plays to the crowd. I must be one of the crowd, i thought it was excellent and necessary. If anything because it makes SOME dems, like our good poster above, uncomfortable, and Edwards showed hes willing to make such people uncomfortable. Its not a question of playing to the crowd, but of which crowd youre playing to.

It does not make me uncomfortable- it makes him look silly, which is fine by me since I am voting for them no matter what. But you are right, it depends to which crowd they are speaking too- those who would care he said so in a negative fashion are so left they don't vote dem anyway.

	29-07-2004 21:36									#208
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb A "Texas Tiger" or "Right Wing Nutjob" take your pick, but yes he does "kick a$$."

So why are we tied up in a couple of shitholes three years later, while listening to Tom Ridge tell us how the topmost leaders of Al Qaeda, whom we failed to capture, are planning to strike us within the US again?

If that's kicking ass, maybe I should practice my Arabic again.

	29-07-2004 21:51									#209
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Why don't you ask your buddies, the Democrats?

Unfortunately, a good portion of the Democratic party are commies in disguise.