30-07-2004 06:52									#241
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Yeah should be on soon. I'd hit the sisters though. But then again I'd hit everything, shouting to the honour of Kagulem!

	30-07-2004 06:53									#242
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Um Dino . . . . . Bush is not speaking at the Democratic convention.

Bush is comic relief... MrUNFUNNY

	30-07-2004 07:30									#243
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I care not for Kerry's borrowed rhetoric. Especially the part where he said we will experience a "new birth of freedom." Just a few minutes ago, he talked about how he wanted to "move America forward." This is the name of a right-wing organization. :hmm: What's the deal with this?

	30-07-2004 07:32									#244
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar I care not for Kerry's borrowed rhetoric. Especially the part where he said we will experience a "new birth of freedom." Just a few minutes ago, he talked about how he wanted to "move America forward." This is the name of a right-wing organization. :hmm: What's the deal with this?

He's full of it. No mention of repealing the Patriot Act you notice. New birth of freedom? My ***

	30-07-2004 07:46									#245
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Well seriously. Why the hell would you quote the Republican Party founder at the DNC?



The other thing that disturbed me was when he discussed the Berlin Wall, and how great West Berlin was and how horrible East Berlin was. He called the wall a dividing line between Communism and Democracy.

Firstly, that's comparing an economic system to a political system. Secondly, it makes me wonder if he's afraid of praising capitalism...

BTW, if it makes you feel better, I think he will repeal the Patriot Act if he gets the chance.

	30-07-2004 07:50									#246
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My wife was undecided, and she has been swayed by him, but I doubt if she will actually vote.

	30-07-2004 07:51									#247
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Have her vote Nader if she's liberal.

	30-07-2004 07:53									#248
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BTW, how could she be swayed by this snoozefest of a speech? It's just a bunch of soundbites cobbled together.


...and he just quoted Lincoln again.

	30-07-2004 07:54									#249
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BTW, a new slogan of Kerry's is "Help is on the way!"

But notice that this was a campaign slogan for Cheney in 2000.

He's stealing soundbites from the very people he criticizes!

	30-07-2004 07:58									#250
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Kerry gave a good speech, much better than his norm. Amazing. I thought he should've trimmed some of it, though.

	30-07-2004 07:59									#251
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The quote of the convention:

quote: I will double our special forces to conduct terrorist operations. - John Kerry

	30-07-2004 07:59									#252
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo Kerry gave a good speech, much better than his norm. Amazing. I thought he should've trimmed some of it, though.

Are you ****ing kidding me?

	30-07-2004 08:05									#253
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No. It's just about the best delivery I've ever seen from Kerry.

quote: BTW, a new slogan of Kerry's is "Help is on the way!" But notice that this was a campaign slogan for Cheney in 2000.

It's not an ideological campaign slogan, why is that strange? Or a problem in any way?

	30-07-2004 08:07									#254
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It's just funny because although they hate each other, and their bases are completely polarized against each other, they use exactly the same soundbites. Verbatim.

	30-07-2004 08:08									#255
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quote: I will double our special forces to conduct terrorist operations. - John Kerry

It was an accident. He corrected himself and meant to say anti-terrorist operations. I'm sure it's gonna get lots of right-wing play though.

Over all it was a good speach delivered by a mediocre speaker at his best performance. He seemed like he was in a hurry to get it over with, but that could have been excitement. When you're doing something that you've built up to your whole life, it always seems like its over too fast (thinking of my recent wedding).

One thing that really iritated me though was his continued quieting of the crowd during his speech. He'd make some point and he'd get a cheer, and he'd try to talk overthem, once four times before he was able to get going. He wasn't prepped on effective use of the crowd, let their cheering sell him. He seemed impatient with them, which is odd, considering that his speech seemed very much tailored not for moderates, but to win the hearts of the Democratic left.

Considering how much they made of no Bush-bashing in the whole rest of the convention, it's almost odd. Unless maybe they didn't want to steal Kerry's thunder. He didn't directly attack Bush, though. He attacked everything Bush's done instead.

Overall, I'd give him a B+.

	30-07-2004 08:11									#256
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Yea. I noticed that too. He talked over the crowd a lot.

	30-07-2004 08:15									#257
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Anyone who would say that wasn't a good speech must be hardcore Republican or just hate Kerry no matter what.

The truth is, it was an excellent speech. The truth is, you can't write much better speech than that. The truth is, that's maybe one of the best speeches in presidential competitions in a long time.

The way he delivered it wasn't the best. He started kind of uncomfortably. The loud crowd, he couldn't work it at first. He had a difficult pace. But he got the hang of it, making it an OK delivery. Not the best possible though. Not a delivery that the speech itself would have deserved.

Let there be no mistake, it was a great speech, and the rest of you are just haters. I mean, I haven't taken any sides on Bush vs. Kerry, but show me a speech, that is even WRITTEN (you don't even have to compare delivery) as good as this one, that Bush has given. The fact is, there is no competition.

Now, Bush has to ante up. His delivery is not as good. He maybe is more charismatic though. So he should use that. He should avoid all the traps Kerry set to him in this speech. And his speech writers better step up big, rock star big. I don't say he can't do better than Kerry tonight, but I say it will be very difficult. Difficult for anyone.

Right, so when do the presidential candidates do tv debates?

	30-07-2004 08:15									#258
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I really thought Kerry's speech was great. Where do others get the impression that Kerry is a boring speaker??

	30-07-2004 08:15									#259
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Obama took care of the applause by basically ignoring it and speaking even louder, which I thought is a far more effective approach than either trying to stop it, or making lengthy pauses everytime the crowd breaks out in applause.

	30-07-2004 08:18									#260
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There were some points where the writing was good. But it was boring more often than not, and his delivery was horrible.

Now, I'm perfectly willing to admit that I am extremely biased against Kerry, but you can't yell at me because I don't support Bush.

	30-07-2004 08:19									#261
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Ramo, right, I agree. Except if it's a clear punch line, you should let the crowd cheer for a while. Precise build ups, and then do the talking over with louder and steady voice, leading to almost exploding punch line and follow it up with a serious face and soon after give some nods with a smile. It's not that difficult.

	30-07-2004 08:20									#262
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar There were some points where the writing was good. But it was boring more often than not, and his delivery was horrible. Now, I'm perfectly willing to admit that I am extremely biased against Kerry, but you can't yell at me because I don't support Bush.

I like to yell at you for no damn good reason, you know that.

	30-07-2004 08:20									#263
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Jaguar, the writing was near perfection, even if I wouldn't agree with its points or content.

	30-07-2004 08:22									#264
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo Obama took care of the applause by basically ignoring it and speaking even louder, which I thought is a far more effective approach than either trying to stop it, or making lengthy pauses everytime the crowd breaks out in applause.

I disagree. When you're trying to sell yourself, one of the most effective techniques is to let others do the selling. Let the crowd cheer their hearts out. It makes you seem a much better speaker.

	30-07-2004 08:24									#265
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che, I disagree. In a longer speech, the structure becomes weaker if they cheer the whole time and you don't speak. Rather sometimes speak over to make the cheering even louder, that sells good too.

	30-07-2004 08:24									#266
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Where do others get the impression that Kerry is a boring speaker??

Great speaking comes from passion. Kerry's passion is very contained, even though in places it showed through. I have the feeling that if Bill Clinton gave that same speech, I'd have swooned. Now that's a man that give a speech.

	30-07-2004 08:24									#267
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If you can effectively talk over the crowd, it's very energetic. Tell the crowd something they want to hear, they start cheering, and then you say something else they like, and the energy builds more. But he was somewhere in between, and it wasn't effective.

	30-07-2004 08:24									#268
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quote: Over all it was a good speach delivered by a mediocre speaker at his best performance.

As opposed to Bush, who is a poor speaker who will have to make a great speach and have better than his best performance at the RNC.

	30-07-2004 08:25									#269
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I think Edwards is the only good speechgiver of the four.

	30-07-2004 08:25									#270
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quote: It was an accident. He corrected himself and meant to say anti-terrorist operations. I'm sure it's gonna get lots of right-wing play though.

I dunno Che....