17-08-2004 19:47									#1
	Alan Keyes Supports Slavery Reparations (yes, that's Alan Keyes)! Got spare money?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...ll=chi-news-hed

quote: Speaking at a news conference at the Hotel InterContinental in Chicago, Republican Keyes added to his now familiar talking points his stance on slavery reparations. Prompted by a reporter's question, Keyes gave a brief tutorial on Roman history and said that in regard to reparations for slavery, the U.S. should do what the Romans did: "When a city had been devastated [in the Roman empire], for a certain length of time--a generation or two--they exempted the damaged city from taxation." Keyes proposed that for a generation or two, African-Americans of slave heritage should be exempted from federal taxes--federal because slavery "was an egregious failure on the part of the federal establishment." In calling for the tax relief, Keyes appeared to be reaching out to capture the black vote, something that may prove difficult to do, particularly after his unwelcome reception at the Bud Billiken Day Parade Saturday. The former ambassador said his plan would give African-Americans "a competitive edge in the labor market," because those exempted would be cheaper to hire than federal tax-paying employees and would "compensate for all those years when your labor was being exploited."

So let's see, Keyes has supported a massive federal sales tax to replace the income tax, the repeal of the 17th Amendment, has equated being pro-choice to both being a slaveowner and a terrorist, and now supports slavery reparations I guess. And he's stirred all this **** up in just a couple weeks.

This is the craziest politician I've ever heard of.

	17-08-2004 19:51									#2
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He's got some great ganja there in the Keyesoverse.

	17-08-2004 19:55									#3
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So he wants to abolish income tax on the portion of the population that often doesn't earn enough to pay income tax?

	17-08-2004 19:57									#4
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Yes. Only rich blacks like himself should get reparations.

	17-08-2004 20:10									#5
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A new business opportunity if he suceeds... companies who will do the search to prove you are from a slave family... big bucks

	17-08-2004 20:13									#6
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Would it apply to white people who have one slave in the family there back in the 17th C?

	17-08-2004 21:35									#7
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quote: So he wants to abolish income tax on the portion of the population that often doesn't earn enough to pay income tax?

Tosh, don't be silly. Even welfare recipients have to pay federal income tax. This is sure to sway that block of voters.

quote: A new business opportunity if he suceeds... companies who will do the search to prove you are from a slave family... big bucks

Time to update the ol' resume to include my years of experience in genealogical research!

	17-08-2004 22:06									#8
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somebody better tell Keyes he's like 140 years too late... I also think he needs to be reminded he's a Republican. But I guess "supporting" an absurd thing that will never happen is a great way to "prove" you care about the black community.

If I were an Uncle Tom I might say blacks should get reparations.

	17-08-2004 22:16									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Sava somebody better tell Keyes he's like 140 years too late... I also think he needs to be reminded he's a Republican. But I guess "supporting" an absurd thing that will never happen is a great way to "prove" you care about the black community. If I were an Uncle Tom I might say blacks should get reparations.

you didn't read the article did you?

	17-08-2004 23:37									#10
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we should ride the railroads for free, 'cause we built the damn thing.

reparations for slavery, in any form, now that the generations invovled in it have passed on:

	17-08-2004 23:46									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed we should ride the railroads for free, 'cause we built the damn thing. reparations for slavery, in any form, now that the generations invovled in it have passed on:

now that sprint is running connectivity through former railroad passes you get free DSL

	18-08-2004 00:38									#12
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Keyes is a Straussian, so don't believe anything he says.

(before you jump on that comment, noble lies are the Straussian doctrine).

	18-08-2004 00:41									#13
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I don't think he's nuttier than any other Republican, or Democrat.

	18-08-2004 00:50									#14
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Isn't Keyes Spencer's "politician of choice"?

	18-08-2004 02:10									#15
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Odd. Keyes always struck me as, in Sava's and many other people's words, an Uncle Tom. His only value is to white guys who think they can use him to placate the Black Vote without really offering anything. Now he's just generally alienating everybody. But I guess that could work. It's politics, not the real world...

	18-08-2004 04:53									#16
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He may be pathetically trying to start some sort of blacker-than-thou pissing match. 'Course Obama has way too much integrity to take the bait.

	18-08-2004 04:56									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo He may be pathetically trying to start some sort of blacker-than-thou pissing match. 'Course Obama has way too much integrity to take the bait.

And he would be stupid for doing so. Everyone knows that Keyes is really white.

	18-08-2004 04:59									#18
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He looks black to me.

	18-08-2004 05:03									#19
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc He looks black to me.

Have you ever met any black people, or just people like Keyes?

	18-08-2004 05:05									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Have you ever met any black people

Yes. They tend to be a bit darker than me.

	18-08-2004 05:11									#21
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Yes, Keyes kind of has that darker pigmentation that black people have.

DD, I think Kid is really being racist and saying you can't be black unless you act a certain way.

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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious And he would be stupid for doing so. Everyone knows that Keyes is really white.

Yes, everyone knows you aren't really black unless you are poor, on welfare, doing drugs, and lacking the ability to speak proper English.

Racist

	18-08-2004 06:33									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Yes, Keyes kind of has that darker pigmentation that black people have. DD, I think Kid is really being racist and saying you can't be black unless you act a certain way.

It's got more to do with what you know. Black people are more intelligent about certain things. Keyes is not.

	18-08-2004 17:11									#24
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I dunno. On the other hand we have all this, and on the other hand we have this Peter Bagge cartoon.

	18-08-2004 21:07									#25
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quote: It's got more to do with what you know. Black people are more intelligent about certain things. Keyes is not.

like what? dancing and having rhythm, playing basketball? does being black grant some sort of genetic memory towards the ills of slavery and discrimination? that they have some ethnic predisposition to poor school performance, crime, and poverty?

it's stupid to say someone isn't black because he doesn't "act" black. you stick him in the boonies somewhere where there are racists, they'll lynch him along with colin powell, condi rice, and john white.

if being white only entails acting white, keyes should never get discriminated against, i would be a honkie, and bush would have an all-white cabinet.

	18-08-2004 22:16									#26
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"your labor"

who the heck is he addressing here with 'your labour was exploited'?

The resident 245 year old population?

He's making it sound like it was a personal injury done to his audience. Great way to whip up the wierdest sense of entitlement frenzy I've ever seen.

BTW Americans if this ever goes through I'm expecting my Tory reperations cheque to be next in the mail....the US FEDERAL GOVERNMENT stole 'my' land and money and deprived 'me' (me in the sense of my distant ancestors) of employment solely on the basis of political opinions!!

And we owned a farm on Manhattan Island..so that would work out to what??

	18-08-2004 22:28									#27
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Actually, I've found myself processing "black" as a sociocultural rather than a racial label. When I hear it, I usually think of descendants of American slaves rather than, say, the African immigrants I actually see on a daily basis. I've even found myself thinking things like "he's not black, he's Congolese".

	18-08-2004 22:57									#28
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even by your definition, last conformist, since keyes is most likely a decendent of american slaves, i fail to see why his political positions and beliefs make him suddenly not black.

however, obama would be a half-white half-kenyan hybrid, rather than a mixed white-black person.

	18-08-2004 23:32									#29
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I didn't say he wasn't; I was just noting that I tend not to think of "black" as a strictly racial term.

	18-08-2004 23:49									#30
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cool.

i just don't see why keyes isn't black, and why this allegation comes from the supposedly non-racist leftist folk in the forums.

is a black white supremacist (a la chapelle show) any less black because of his political views?