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Sep 2000
time: 06:35
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
the only result will be that naturally rebellious teens will start becomming more religious to "stick it to the man." |
In Belgium, some 2-3 years ago, the government decided to let the school directors decide according to their own situation, population, experience. So some schools chose to forbid the scarf, some to allow it.
Some months ago a journalist wanted to know what was the best solution, so she went to different schools (with high muslim population) and asked the teachers.
None were happy with their decision.
Those who allowed the scarf, said they had seen it becomming longer and longer. Covering more and more of the body. They seemed to be some kind of muslimer-than-you competition between the girls/parents.
At the time of the reportage, they already had girls comming to school completely hidden (including nose and mouth) behind a veil. What those teachers were fearing, was what will they do when a girl will come under an afghan burkha (You don't even see the eyes).
Armenians and other non-muslim, middle-east looking children had really to argue because they dared to eat during the ramadan. (My question is: what about moderate muslims then?).
Those who forbid the scarf also said it was a bad solution, because the schools were like under siege. Fathers and brothers were waiting at the exit, telling the girls who were a little bit slow to put back the scarf/veil that they should speed-up, cover their indecency.
School provided a small island of freedom (girls were slower to quit), but the consequences outside were more drastic for them.
The journalist concluded by saying she thought to make a reportage on the scarf, but in fact, she had made one on fundamentalism.
EDIT: changed french word 'integrism' to the correct english word 'fundamentalism'.
Last edited by Dry on 30-08-2004 at 18:54
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Dry
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Brussels
Sep 2000
time: 06:35
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Originally posted by Spiffor
this kind of integrism must be rpevented indeed. |
IMO the main lesson of this reportage is that this fight is not to be fought at schools level.
Like in France, teachers like to think they are forming the next generation and like in every democracy, they hope the new generation to be made of more free, more tolerant, more responsible persons than the previous one.
But here, they feel totally powerless.
No good solution, only 2 bad solutions.
I heard the voices of those teachers (radio). There was truelly dispair in their voices.
Imagine the dispair of a teacher, unable to find a way to educate his pupils. Is he competent, has he failed his mission?
Fundamentalism will not be solved in schools. The scarf problem is a symptom. The illness is fundamentalism.
EDIT: 'fundamentalism' is the correct word (Thanks Azazel)
Last edited by Dry on 30-08-2004 at 18:56
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CPA - Evil Clone brigade
Nov 2001
time: 06:35
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Originally posted by Patroklos
America does love to have villians. |
Yep, and ever since the fall of the USSR, you had a bad time finding a good villain. Saddam wasn't a challenge, nobody cares about other rogue States, China isn't hostile enough yet, and France may be a funny villain, but not one that can be taken seriously.
Al Qaeda is the villain of the day, but I think it sucks too. It's not nearly dangerous enough (against the Soviets, you were fearing nuclear anihilation! Not some crappy attack killing 3000), it's too amorphous, and the response to AQ is more paranoia, instead of the usual flag-waving nonsense.
The US can't wait for China to become a real villain at last 
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quote:
Originally posted by Spiffor
Yep, and ever since the fall of the USSR, you had a bad time finding a good villain. Saddam wasn't a challenge, nobody cares about other rogue States, China isn't hostile enough yet, and France may be a funny villain, but not one that can be taken seriously.
Al Qaeda is the villain of the day, but I think it sucks too. It's not nearly dangerous enough (against the Soviets, you were fearing nuclear anihilation! Not some crappy attack killing 3000), it's too amorphous, and the response to AQ is more paranoia, instead of the usual flag-waving nonsense.
The US can't wait for China to become a real villain at last |
What about North Korea? If Kim will get his act together, we could have a good row.
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30-08-2004 17:01
The U.S. government said quite a number of rude and derrogatory things about France. 
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