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Gimme a quarter or I'll touch you
Mar 2004
time: 21:36
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Originally posted by binTravkin
3.To East we have quite a bunch of sea and 2 AIs on a continent too far to even make them consider landing any force on ours, and giving that they have no reason to do it and no skills in doing it. |
I thought that Morgan was to our east  ....not that they would be attacking anytime soon.
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Originally posted by binTravkin
4.To North we have Hive who poses a little threat right now, but which can be eliminated very quickly after building Sea Former (sunk the landbridge). |
Sinking the land bridge will be a time consuming process, plus the sea former could be attacked before finishing. Discussing convetional defense is still a good idea.
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Originally posted by binTravkin
Do you think that Spartans are so stupid to come for us when they need to defend their homes at first.
Hive is more liklely to be going for Spartans (due to small distance) |
First, the Hive and Sparta are under treaty. Unless some crafty faction were to frame them for some covert action  , they would not be top on Yang's conquor list.
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Originally posted by binTravkin
And finally - after we get EcoEng, and particularly Env Eco and BioEng, we can decide where to go next, because those techs give us great strenght, even military (considered building Neural Amplifier for native armies?). |
Yes the NAmp is a very important SP for us, but we must secure some IoDs to really make it shine. Between IoDs and the land bridge problem, Doc:Flex is my top priority tech, but we have it coming already. Once we have enough IoDs and toppled the land bridge, we may not even need plasma armor.
The option to leapfrog Doc:Flex-->Doc:Init and thus build the MCC, is to further strengthen our future control of the seas using IoDs is valuable. I just don't see it as valuable as pushing for the NAmp or Doc:AP.
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binTravkin
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Lord of Progress of the Council of Lords of Gaia
Jan 2004
time: 07:36
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Sinking the land bridge will be a time consuming process, plus the sea former could be attacked before finishing. Discussing convetional defense is still a good idea.
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And WHO will sink it?
Do you see from Hive infiltration screens thay have any attack foils?
And even if they had - why would an AI consider attacking former instead of popping a few pods (i've noticed this in many of my SP - if AI hasn't got lots of fleet, he'll be rather going to pop pods)?
Also - do you see any port near that location (for fleet to be transfered immediately)?
How much a "conventional defense" costs?
Let's say we put a synthmetal sentinel and MW there - they 2 cost the same amount as a Sea former, but they will be destroyed in not more than 2 turn when standing up to Hive Impacts.
Sinking is the cheapest and most long-term defense that we can have (as AI rises land VERY rarely and not for attack purposes)!
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First, the Hive and Sparta are under treaty. Unless some crafty faction were to frame them for some covert action , they would not be top on Yang's conquor list. |
Believe me, they will be either the 1st or 2nd on this list, I was AI diplomacy advisor once, remember?
Treaty doesn't mean much if someone steals SP Yang wants, is close to him, and much weaker.
We are 3rd on this list as we are very weak, but still close, sinking the bridge will make us last ones in this list (AI counts land access as very important, but not for diplomacy - he can have V'dtta, but will rarely transport troops and transport efficiently and in big numbers).
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The Neural Amp is nice. For it, we need SotHB and then Neural Grafting. I still think boreholes are a higher priority, as with Environmental Economics they will greatly boost our research rate. |
Yes, first we go for Env Eco, then consider Doc:Ini or Neural Graft. We DO NOT NEED to research D:AP!
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binTravkin
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Lord of Progress of the Council of Lords of Gaia
Jan 2004
time: 07:36
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I am dizzy, but sofar I understand we will research Ethical Calculus. Am I correct? |
Read my cmart offer another time - Eth Calc will be transfered to DA by Spartans, then to us:
Deal sounds:
We give DA Doc:Loy and D:Mob and if they do not accept, add Soc Psych to sweeten up, they request EthCalc + Doc:Flex from Spartans and give em Doc:Loy, that's all folks!
Spartans get:
Doc:Loy
DA get:
Doc Mob, Doc Flex, Soc Psych (?), Eth Calc, Doc: Loy
We get
Doc Flex(!), Eth Calc (!!)
We research EcolEng!
Please, diplomats, take on this deal project, it could be VERY good to us with those 2 L2 techs!
You can of course change the terms, but the goal is to get EthCalc & Doc:Flex for giving Doc:Loy! (it is profit to both us and DA)
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Illuminatus
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Salvaging Unity Fusion Core
Jul 2003
time: 06:36
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If we disagree on this matter, I believe it is best to choose Doc: Flex, as a manner of gaining time to decide what will we choose (we will get from Angels in couple of turns, and by then we can decide what to research, Eth: Cal or EcoEng). I don't believe Spartans will give Eth: Cal to Angels. I don't think we can predict Angel and Spartan reactions. Angels will want to build CDF, which may be a very importan tech - it grants free PDs in every base, and since choppers cannot attack bases, and building a fleet of needles to cover for choppers is expensive (and remember, they can attack every other turn lest be sacrficed) land attacks are viable option for assault of bases. CDF can double effectivness of armor, and if in 10-20 turn we find ourselves under attack (or in offense) you will find that doubling armor defense strength with indestructible PDs will be very valuable - Plasma+PD nets a strength powerful enough to withstand attack of land units, or causing them to lose much health during the assault.
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