30-10-2004 22:17									#301
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I thought the password was Harmony (note capitalization). In any case, I use a capital H and everything works.

We post our end-turn saves in the Annual Reports thread, and in the AC-Democracy Team Game forum, the beginning-turn saves are posted under the Turn Tracking Thread

	31-10-2004 12:26									#302
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If the Morganites get Ascetic Virtues, which I think they might....a lot of things might happen....

	01-11-2004 14:41									#303
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quote: Morgan completed the PTS since our last turn and shot from 12 population to 34.

We could estimate Morgan's base count given those values..

	01-11-2004 16:12									#304
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34-12=22 Eleven bases perhaps?

Anyway, I looked at Hive production report. Hive is gearing up fully towards war now (synthmetal sentinels and several impact units) and should have impact weapon prototypes as well a couple of rovers. I strongly suggest that we do not try to blindly attack Yang, it is better to retreat to a defense position somewhere, so we can destroy incoming units - it is pointless to waste them this way. We should only cover PT. Also, he will have a probe team ready in our tech rape base target.

	02-11-2004 13:14									#305
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quote: 34-12=22 Eleven bases perhaps?

This is a bit wrong..

If PTS upgrades all bases to 3 that means if all bases are at 3 or less, then the pop count should be a number which divides with 3 smoothly, BUT we have a number which gives:

34/3 = 11.(3)

So my estimate is such:
1.Morgan has 1 base with pop of 4 which didn't upgrade after PTS (probably the same base which built the SP)

2.so:

34 - 4 = 30
30 / 3 = 10

So Morgan has 11 bases

	02-11-2004 22:16									#306
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Alternatively, some bases built CPs the same turn the were boosted to 3 by the PTS

	02-11-2004 22:31									#307
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That's quite unlikely I think.. (as crawler production ended I doubt they could end also 2 CPs)

But if that's true, there must be 2 bases which ended CPs and then the base count is (34 + 2) / 3 = 12

	04-11-2004 21:39									#308
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Turns is in.
Nothing unexpected, however:
Morgan population is down to 32 (so they are building CPs)
Morgan now has Doctrine: Mobility
Spartans now have Industrial Economics
Why would Morgans want Doc: Mobility?

	04-11-2004 21:53									#309
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quote: Why would Morgans want Doc: Mobility?

In order of credibility (for me):

1.Part of a deal, where other side has nothing but this tech to offer
2.Spartan threat
3.Aiming for Orbital Spaceflight

	04-11-2004 23:22									#310
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The Spartans earlier claimed they didn't want Industrial Economics, and this makes sense since we were trading them IA. If they traded for it, either they decided they wanted to run FM (and eliminate their threat to us), or Morgan offered them enough besides the tech, or something else I can't guess.

	05-11-2004 00:33									#311
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quote: Originally posted by binTravkin In order of credibility (for me): 1.Part of a deal, where other side has nothing but this tech to offer 2.Spartan threat 3.Aiming for Orbital Spaceflight

However, despite some 5-6 turns of contact with Morgan, Spartans did not trade for IE, nor did Morgan for DM. There is soemthing happening. Could it be north/south polarisation, or are Spartans engaging in this trade as guise for their invasion of Morgan (I doubt they are THAT insane).

	05-11-2004 02:48									#312
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quote: Originally posted by Illuminatus Morgan population is down to 32 (so they are building CPs)

Not necessarily. The pop loss could have been due to the PTS jumping a couple of bases to size 3 before the base could sustain that size

	06-11-2004 03:31									#313
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We should pull back a spore launcher and mind worm to guard ourselves against a possible Spartan invasion (or unwelcome scouting party). A sensor network on our vulnerable flank is already under construction.

We need to start thinking about what SP to go for next, as we have an artifact waiting, and a few supply crawlers about, or in production.

We should start rec commons in several cities next turn, especially those most vulnerable to bureaucracy. We will have another 1 or 2 colony pods next turn, and we will have two more bases within the next 2 turns.

What do we research next? What's available? Do we care about the Angels' or Spartans' preferences?

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	07-11-2004 15:25									#314
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Just now noticed you used one of my Samhain base names. I am honored

I didn't even think anyone even saw the thread

As far as the next tech goes, I'd only consider the Spartan/Angel requests if they directly coinside with our needs.

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	08-11-2004 08:21									#315
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	08-11-2004 21:55									#316
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quote: I read *everything* in this forum.

Yeah, activity levels are dropping..
But this is a hard time I think, at least in schools, so expect it to return to former at around Xmas till new year!

I will make a report about future research in a few minutes (as I'm the Lord of Progress)

Units should be pulled back, this I agree, also it'd be good that that lone MW near Spartan rover should be either evacuated or moved to East.

Preferences:

We care ONLY about Angel's preferences, as noone else has expressed friendliness!

And we care ONLY if they do not interfere with our preferences!

	08-11-2004 22:16									#317
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The northernmost mind worm is in a tactically very sound position. If the Hive decides to invade us, that worm can buy us a turn or two and destroy some units. I say we leave it there and if too many units come through, it dies, but not before inflicting considerable damage.

	08-11-2004 22:29									#318
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quote: The northernmost mind worm is in a tactically very sound position. If the Hive decides to invade us, that worm can buy us a turn or two and destroy some units. I say we leave it there and if too many units come through, it dies, but not before inflicting considerable damage.

The Spartan rover is in position to attack it - it should be at least moved so it can't be reached by that rover in 1 turn.

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The Official Report of Lord of Progress

Giving our current situation with prerequisities in place to research Ecological Engineering and our previous discussions regarding tech beelining, I suggest that next tech to be researched is Ecological Engineering.
If lady Fortune doesn't smile to my comrades, our smart scientists we will be glad to redirect our research to Ethical Calculus, as that is also one very important tech to us, but could be traded for if the opportunity arises.
If we're very unlucky, or if we're sure we will get that tech from friendly Data Angels (ask this to our diplomats), we can also switch to Doctrine: Flexibility next, and then to some other technology, after Data Angels transfer it to us.


--M.Y. 2146
--The Official Reports of The Council of Lords
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	09-11-2004 23:13									#319
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Yeah, Xmas boosted the activity level in the last ACDG as well.

	09-11-2004 23:16									#320
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I misidentified what I meant to refer to - we have two worms both equally far north. One is on the east and is in a tactically very strong position as a warning, or even to kill stragglers and probe teams that might try to filter down to us. One is on the west and is isolated, though still alive thanks to fungus. We might want to pick that one up while we still can.

	10-11-2004 12:38									#321
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We need to choose a new tech - since we are going to gear for abttle, HEC seems reasonable - it will give us Plasma armor, and is the other prereq for SynthFossil Fuels

	10-11-2004 12:45									#322
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HEC is reasonably, but when the turn comes in, I'll check the possibilities and post them here.

	11-11-2004 03:19									#323
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Our research options are:

Doc: Flex
Eco Eng
Prog Psych
Poly Soft
SotHB
HEC

I would advocate EcoEng, as being able to use boreholes will greatly boost our industrial capacity, and Environmental Economics will then be one step away. Plasma Steel defense will not perform much better than Synthmetal against impact weapons. On the other hand, being one step away from Synth Fossil Fuels and two away from D:AP is nice. HEC is the only other viable option, IMO.

Unfortunately, our tech cost soars to 398, and we produce just 21 labs/turn right now (soon to increase, though).

	11-11-2004 03:37									#324
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I am leaning towards EcoEng myself. All the Spartans posturing is starting to make me think it might all be a bluff. So delaying HEC might not be the worst idea. Plus the added industial capacity of boreholes would help us with any defense we may need to put up.

	11-11-2004 07:55									#325
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I've already promoted EcoEng myself

	11-11-2004 14:29									#326
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Eco Eng, definitely and +1 vote as the Lord of Progress!

We WILL get HEC and other military tech from Hive!

	11-11-2004 21:26									#327
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Excellent. Minute Mirage's table predicted this choices as well.
HEC is out of question then. Another option is to choose Doc: Flex and redirect to Initiative, getting us MCC and one of prereqs for D:AP. What do you think about this option before we have decided?

	11-11-2004 21:32									#328
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I don't value the MCC very highly, and the relative benefits of boreholes and fast ships are incomparable. Boreholes just win, given our position.

	11-11-2004 21:59									#329
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If we are going for Boreholes, should we start building one or two then?

	11-11-2004 22:01									#330
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quote: Excellent. Minute Mirage's table predicted this choices as well. HEC is out of question then. Another option is to choose Doc: Flex and redirect to Initiative, getting us MCC and one of prereqs for D:AP. What do you think about this option before we have decided?

My dear Lord Illuminatus!

Why are you promoting military techs so much? It seems to me that some kind of paranoia has dimmed your vision, as we have no need for military techs at the moment and if that need arises, we can always get that tech from Yang.

Let me explain why I think there's no threat:

1.To West we have friendly and too weak to attack Angels.
2.To South we have the South Pole.
3.To East we have quite a bunch of sea and 2 AIs on a continent too far to even make them consider landing any force on ours, and giving that they have no reason to do it and no skills in doing it..
4.To North we have Hive who poses a little threat right now, but which can be eliminated very quickly after building Sea Former (sunk the landbridge)..

So what are you afraid of?

Do you think that Spartans are so stupid to come for us when they need to defend their homes at first.
Hive is more liklely to be going for Spartans (due to small distance) or Morganites (due to their might in charts)?

And finally - after we get EcoEng, and particularly Env Eco and BioEng, we can decide where to go next, because those techs give us great strenght, even military (considered building Neural Amplifier for native armies?).

PS - we're going to get Doc:Flex from trade anyway.