04-10-2004 20:32									#241
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Do bunkers under bases do anything? By the time I can build them, my normal expansion is more or less halted.

	04-10-2004 21:07									#242
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That was just a supposition..
Methinks, they do - I remeber one thread where it was discussed (on strategy/general forums)

	06-10-2004 10:09									#243
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Turn's in! Now's the time to decide on diplomacy.

The Spartans offered us a pre-accepted treaty. We need to decide whether to accept (I am in favor). We also need to decide on what kind of deals we want to cut with them.

	06-10-2004 12:34									#244
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I doubt we even need to decide if to accept on treaties of friendship. I am in favour. I propose trading for Mobility, and possible other military techs they have. It would be wise to start friendship relations with them for future.
Infiltration and tech steal look good, there is also one option more - if we get Mobility from Spartans, there is a good chance we will get Loyalty by stealing with both probes - which would enable us to build CN after wave of expansion with colony pods, and also, path to Intelectual Integrity (CDF would sure be useful, as would nonlethal methods). Also, if Spartans have AP, and we trade for it two, we are sure to probe Yang for it.

	06-10-2004 13:04									#245
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code:

object	                                                |issue	|solution	|pros     |cons

MW in 41,51 (NW)	                                |what to do?	|heal in fungus (blocked by Spartan rover)	|Fungus		|at 10 percent damage

Former at 61,67 (two tiles NW of VS)      |what to do |?	|?	|?l	|?

Former at 66,74(in Uranium Flats)          |should it help planting forest or move?  |Plant forest (help former already on that tile) |speed forest planting |build road to future base locations

Two formers at 50,74                              |new orders needed |?       |?           |?                |?

AA at 58,60                                               |move SE to 59, 61 (south is fungus, and SW and W are pods   |move towards bases for use in completion of our next SP     |too dangerous for moving alone

Boil worms at 55,53 (fungus)                    |move west   |advance towards Hive |too dangerous, extremely vulnerable for sudden Hive attacks

Larval Mass MW and Disc probe at 54,54  |move west towards rocky tile    |prepare to be load Probe on Unity foil  |vulnerable to Hive attacks

Probe at 52,54                                           |move to 52,56 (alternative probe to be loaded)    |safe there, and waiting to be loaded  |same above         |same above

GDN Dauntless at 47,57                             |move to 49,55   |scouting north and preparing to load units next MY    |too close to fungus north, better move east near coast

SL in VS                                                       |move north, across road and into fungus |will be able to escort AA |use for something else, AA is not important

Last edited by Illuminatus on 06-10-2004 at 14:30

	06-10-2004 13:22									#246
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I wouldn't give up infiltration of the strongest AI in the hopes that our guesses as to his tech are correct, and in teh hopes that we can bypass the security interlocks. Furthermore, if we want to press any kind of war, we need infiltrator info. We can bring another probe into Yang's area in roughly 7 years, though, from Gaia's Landing. That way, we can get infiltration and potentially 2 techs.

	06-10-2004 13:46									#247
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Well, I am only concerned in waging defensive war now. Your suggestions sounds reasonable I could reconstruct partial map of Hive then using F4 information.

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	06-10-2004 15:07									#248
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I corrected the table a bit
You can figure out the abbreviations by yourself either by pure logic or bu looking to the SMAC/X shortcut key list

code:

object		|issue		|solution		|pros		|cons
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MW@(41,51:NW)	|orders?	|heal(blocked:rover)	|Fungus		|10% dmg
Former2t NW<-VS	|orders? 	|?			|?		|?
Formerin UF	|H SHIFT-F||->?	|<--1.			|speed SHIFT-F	|R-->future Bases
2formers@(50,74)|orders?	|?			|?		|?
AA@(58,60)	|->(SE->59,61)?	|S:fungus &SW,W: pods	|->B for next SP|no escort
MW@(55,53:fung)	|->W?		|-->Hive		|?		|!sudden Hive attacks
MW&probe@(54,54)|->W(rocky t)?	|Probe-L->foil		|?		|!Hive attacks
Probe@(52,54)	|->(52,56)	|alternative probe L	|safe,can wait	|!Hive attacks
Foil@(47,57)	|->(49,55)	|/ N &prepare L next MY	|?		|!Fungus@north, better->E near coast
SL@VS		|orders?	|->N,@->fung		|escort AA	|AA=not important

	07-10-2004 00:37									#249
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Well, you are obviously better at it binTravkin.

Chaos, perhaps we should offer Biogenetics to Spartans, but not accept the offer, in hope they offer us Doctrine : Mobility in their turn and accept it. There is no news on the diplomatic front.

	07-10-2004 22:21									#250
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[friendly reminder]Around 11 hours left from out turn limit. I believe Chaos shall do it as always, although nobody suggested anything for some formers, I guess Chaos needs to do what seems best once again. . SL needs to escort AA Also, adding IB and IA on bargaining table without accepting the deal seems okay. [/friendly reminder]

	07-10-2004 22:33									#251
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Nope, haven't forgotten. I'll play the turn within 5 hours, or not at all. I fully expect the former.

	07-10-2004 22:42									#252
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I never doubted you will forget , we don't want to have our mods disturbed again by our speed.
Just one thing: according to results of the poll, we should notify the Angels we are in vendetta with Hive. It would be good if Ouro can do it, if he can't I will do it, but tommorow. That can account for 'delays' in our turnplaying and also for techs we shall hopefully receive soon (Angels will think we 'liberated' them from Hive), increasing the time before the secret about contact with SF is revealed to them.

This should be a simple message, noting that we feel we should inform them of this, because they are our firends, and they might find themselves in danger because of their treaty with us (so feel that we need to tell them that), and remind them that this may lead to aquiring new technologies in future.

Last edited by Illuminatus on 07-10-2004 at 22:47

	08-10-2004 00:53									#253
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Oh, and please note that Spartans sent us some interesting info about Hive bases and units, with another offer we will be forced to refuse.

	08-10-2004 02:48									#254
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Move foil into position to scout the path to the Hive _OR_ load a probe team onto the foil.

Misc forming and building.

Move northwestern mind worm back north, hoping the Spartan rover will be in a better spot then.

No map, same internet issue. It hasn't changed drastically since the last picture, and you can always get the turn and view it.

	08-10-2004 04:48									#255
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Load probe team.

	08-10-2004 13:37									#256
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Load probe team .

	09-10-2004 21:16									#257
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*bump* (due to bug with display of threads I needed to move a thread up in order to see Angel diplo thread).

	10-10-2004 20:53									#258
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Googlie gave us data how to raid a Hive base, netting some credits. They are being helpful.

Attachment: mindwormescape.jpg
This has been downloaded 10 time(s).

	11-10-2004 04:36									#259
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Turn's in!

The technology trade is successful and we can research Social Psych next. Yang has served up another juicy colony pod to our mind worms.

	11-10-2004 13:23									#260
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Members of the High Council,

This message to announce our answer in the current negotiations regarding the Spartan comlink, 15 energy credits and mapinfo of our continent as known to the Gaian Union in exchange for Applied Physics.

We agree to this deal, and will implement our part of it when seeing that the diplomacy screen is filled with the above mentioned items.

Sincerely,
IT GeoModder
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Good- so we put commlink on table with Spartans, and commlink and 15 credits to table with Angels -> I will prepare the screenshot data later this afternoon and notify them that we aquired new technologies.

	12-10-2004 10:58									#261
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Infiltrate the Hive, and move an assault force towards a Hive city if circumstances are favorable.

Heal northwestern mind worm.

We have two cities finishing supply crawlers, and we need to decide what they should make next. I say colony pods.

More of the same from previous turns.

Finally an image again!

	12-10-2004 12:55									#262
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Colony pods, definitely!

	12-10-2004 20:33									#263
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Just came from college. Need eat. Play turn in one hour. /me leaves

	12-10-2004 22:12									#264
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Oh and I used your post and put it in the turn reports so that you can easily edit it and add other things (most notable thing - Hive moved a probe towards us).

	12-10-2004 22:20									#265
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What he said. Also, careful with infiltration. There will also be a Hive probe to be destroyed (it moved after hitting the end turn).

Also, please do not rely much on me in diplo anymore - I was at college whole day (I can't access Poly from it due to some admin trick with ebrowsers ) and if one of our professors did not stay longer in parliament I wouldn't have gotten couple of hours earlier and finished the turn. We need ambassador to Spartans

	14-10-2004 17:18									#266
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Colony pods. This plays to the Gaian's strength - efficiency, and larger number of bases before B-drones.

Also, it looks like we have only 4 formers, or are they stacked? We should have at least 1 per base, and perhaps 1.5 when our mins are better.

Also, where are the crawlers going? Harvest mins? I don't see any forests, which should be a priority for early terraforming since they spread, yielding free terraforming. Forests are also good for crawling before min restrictions are lifted. I like to have at least one extra terraformed tile per base, and start setting up locations for new bases. Then rinse and repeat.

Hydro

	14-10-2004 20:02									#267
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Hydro, password for our turn is harmony. You can download the turn to see things you don't know.

	14-10-2004 21:22									#268
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Indeed, Colony Pods...1+n colony pods

Anyone willing to take the role of abassador?

	14-10-2004 21:52									#269
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We do need ambassador to Sparta. How about you?

	14-10-2004 22:00									#270
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We have more than 4 formers. We have about 6-7. We have scattered forest, enough for most bases to work either a forest or a monolith (and possibly both). More can be planted rapidly (3 former-turns, IIRC).