15-09-2004 19:16									#1
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Main rules

Players:

Maquiladora
EPW
HuangShang
Shadow
Tamerlin

- Turns per player: 20 turns for the first round, 15 turns for the second and third round, and 10 turns for every round after that.
- Loose 3 day (72hrs) limit on passing turn on.
- No Razing conquered cities.
- No Farms under cities.
- No Right-Clicking bug use.
- Obviously no other cheats.
- Renaming of cities and armies is allowed, but post it.

Mod: Call to Conquest

Difficulty: Impossible 4/4
Barbarians: Raiders 3/4

Map: Huge 3/4
Type: Earth

Wet - Dry: 4/10
Warm - Cold: 5/10
Ocean - Land: 8/10
Island - Continents: 8/10
Uniform - Diverse: 10/10
Goods: 8/10

Our Civ: Zulu
AI's: 8
Pollution: Off
Bloodlust: Off

Maxplayers=12 (8 AI, 1 Barb, 1 Us, +2 possible extras from revolts etc) I think only the game starter needs to change this though...

CtC startup rules

1) Quickstart Option - Start with 2 warriors and 5 settlers, so do AI's. Yes or No.

Yes

2) Surrender Option - AI will surrender if you have 3 times as many cities AND units. The surrender conditions can also be customized or use default 3 times as many.

Yes - Default

3) Destroying buildings when a city is captured - Percentage of buildings destroyed, 50, 25, 10 or none.

25%

4) Plagues and Epidemics - Randomly generated, unless you have "medical and hygenic countermeasures". Set frequency: Dont use, Low, Medium and High.

Low frequency

5) Great Leaders - Generated depending on certain achievements, each unit in an army with a great leader instantly becomes a veteran, when the great leader dies your people become unhappy. Yes or No.

Yes

6) Collateral Damage - When you bombard a location with a tile improvement there will be a chance that the improvement will be destroyed. Dont use, Low, Medium or High frequency.

Medium

7) Autopilot - Your planes will automatically move to the nearest available airbase whenever they can. This will inhibit long range raids. Yes or No.

No

	15-09-2004 19:20									#2
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3950 BC Ulundi founded along an unknown Nothern coastline.

3925 BC Natal founded SW down river from Ulundi on grassland.

3875 BC Isandlwana founded atop a big beaver next to some big mountains.

3850 BC Swazi founded east of Ulundi on the coast.

3800 BC Pedi founded.

3700 BC Met the Canadians South of us inland. Meekly offered to exchange maps - they accept. Shows their cities slightly more spread out than ours, they also have Hoplites. I meekly offer a peace treay and they decline. Meekly offer to withdraw from their land - they accept obviously.

3650 BC - 3500 BC More exploring then died of beaver feaver.

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	15-09-2004 19:21									#3
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and the save to EPW unplayed on turn 20.

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	15-09-2004 20:48									#4
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3500BC- Settlers Started in Natal.

3450BC-Settler completed in Ulundi

Settlers started in Swazi, Ulundi and Pedi

3375BC- Our scouts meet Cartharaige and Australia. I gift them 100 gold each.

Both Carth. and Australia ask me to remove my troops and I agree. Australia asks to exchange maps and I accept.

3350BC- We exchange maps with Carth.

3275 BC- WE research Ballistics, Jurisprudence.

We meeet the Eygptions, I gift them 100 gold.

They demand that I remove our troops then offer to exchange maps, I accept both.

And its official we are surrounded on everyside accept the North. Theres still plently of expanding rooom though.

3250BC- Thimbu founded directly North of Ulundi.

BREAKING NEWS: THE AMERICANS HAVE GONE TO WAR WITH THE SCOTS!!!

3200BC- PLAGUE hits our humble civilizaiton. One city was struck and it appears to be Natal, no loss of life but the people are unhappy.

3125BC- Wages are increased to curb some unhappiness problems.

Eygeption troops are seen entering Canadian territory, there could be a war afoot.

3100BC- I meekly request that the Canadians remove their troops from our territory. They decline.


BREAKING NEWS: THE CANADIANS ATTACK PEDI UNPROVOKED WITH ONE WARRIOR. They are slautered at the hands of the militia.

Settler complete in ULundi, archer started.

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	16-09-2004 04:59									#5
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Just a quick note folks, while currently playing my first CtC game, I've noticed the following oddities:

- Bombers seem to have only 1.25 turns. Meaning that they can move the full 12 spaces (or whatever amount) in their first turn, and on the return leg home will move about 3-4 spaces, run out of full, and all will crash.

- The first 2 NON SAIL ships that can be built will say they can do either bombarding or transporting of units - both can do neither, nor can they pillage.
(So keep some older ships handy for sea transport!)

Just a heads up.
Shadow

	17-09-2004 00:19									#6
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By the way any of you can play the next turn, but make sure you state it in the thread as soon as you do so no one repeats it. Then we can keep the game moving and those available can start sooner, but once the player order is decided it wont change after the first round.

	17-09-2004 02:23									#7
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i'll d'l the save b/c my name is third, but if my post isnt up today, it means i have no chance to play my turn

	17-09-2004 04:07									#8
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3000- TheEmperor organizes his party, and takes the House

2975- our warrior becomes veteran after ridding us of an canadian archer

2875- warrior finds Korean border, south of Austrailia and Phoneacia

2825- Natal is slaved and begins riot, interestingly, we are now at war w/ egypt

2800- Sotho founded on western frontier
Natal, Pedi, and Sotho now building walls to help fight slavery

2775- Egypt has now slaved Ulandi, an archer is send to investigate
Taung settled north of Sotho
Xhosa settled on east edge of the "lake"

2700- the Egytian slaver has been hunted down
we are invaded by Canada, but they have simply ran futher into our territory
though a Phonecian archer appears w/in our borders, they have now agreed to retreat

2675- Phonecian archer still advancing for Taung!
a total of 9warrior canadians, but scattered

2650- the Phonecian archer has commited suicide by attacking Taung
finally pick off a single canadian

2625- agree to phonecian call to peace
a warrior of ours picks off a warrior deep in canada
a warrior dies in defense of the boarder from canada

2600- massive canadian buildup near Natal!

2575- the egyptian front is waking up!

2500- TheEmporer is enslaved by Phonecia in exchange for their removing their army
can his successor defend Natal and conquer the mental Canadian? (just read the discription for canada... it says he's bonkers

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	17-09-2004 04:15									#9
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No worries HS, I'll keep an eye on things and post that I've taken the turn if your post isn't up within about 24 hours.

	17-09-2004 04:18									#10
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He just posted

I think we should be careful conquering as it will cuase two other nations to combine. We might try to weaken all or some of the civs before conquering them so we don't inadvertantly create a superpower?

	17-09-2004 06:30									#11
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Hang on... HS - I can't run your save. Not sure what that .rar extension is, and the game won't read it as a save. Can you compress it into a .zip file and upload that?

Or, can anyone else let me know how to make this file work.

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	17-09-2004 06:47									#12
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	18-09-2004 03:15									#13
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I have missed the creation of this thread and thus I didn't knew the game was already started.

Waiting for Shadow's turns to be completed.

	18-09-2004 04:40									#14
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Shadow assumes the throne…

2500 BC Zulus trade maps with the Australians and Phoenecians. As reasonable forces from the Canadians are crossing our borders, a number of units are pulled back into the cities for homeland defense.

2475 BC Trade research complete, starting Philosophy.

2450 BC Canada launches attack against Natal! We suffered zero losses. Warrior begins pillages the Canadian capitol of Ottawa.

2425 BC 4 new units created, used to reinforce cities. PW increased to 10% to allow a road network to be started – for quicker movement of our troops.

2400 BC Thembu considered to be a relatively safe haven – therefore with 4 units on guard and a fifth being built, two specialist farmers are used to increase the city growth.

2375 BC Pillaging of Ottawa continues. Highway started between Pedi and Natal.

2350 BC Tlokwa founded, and granary build started. Attempts as peace treaties fail.

2300 BC Plague strikes. Natal approached on both sides by different enemy forces.

2225 BC Warrior pillaging Ottawa crushed. Tswana founded. Various unit created and used to fortify cities. Granary at Tlokwa rush built, and farmer specialist added.

2125 BC Little troop movement or provocation on our part for some time – enemy forces have seemingly left our lands.

2075 BC Kwena founded to the south. Enemy troops show themselves again.

2050 BC Philosophy discovered! Geometry research begun. Oligarchy government enacted, despite higher unit upkeep costs.

2025 BC Moderate troop activity still within our borders. Homeland however is still relatively secure, seeing no major conflicts in recent times. Thembu, recently founded, has become the largest city we have, with a granary rush built and a farm added nearby. Defence of these cities is temporarily sacrificed in order for them to grow rapidly. Shadow steps down from power.



My goals here were to max out city growth for the northern most cities that were fairly safe from attack, build up our forces inside the cities on the war front, and eventually have enough unit to spare a couple from each city to make a 12 stack for attacking our neighbours.

Good luck Tamerlin!

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	19-09-2004 01:15									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Shadow Hang on... HS - I can't run your save. Not sure what that .rar extension is, and the game won't read it as a save. Can you compress it into a .zip file and upload that? Or, can anyone else let me know how to make this file work.

.rar is another compression format, like .zip, but generally more efficient. You can extract it with WinRAR - see http://www.rarlab.com/

	19-09-2004 01:35									#16
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i'll do zip next time, sorry

	19-09-2004 02:27									#17
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No worries HS, do whatever you prefer, I'll get this RAR thing sorted out in the next few days.

Thanks JB, I'm surprised I've never come accross it before. I'm assuming it's a freeware MS product so I'll see what I can do about downloading it asap.

	20-09-2004 19:00									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Shadow Good luck Tamerlin!

Thanks Shadow, I will play my turns Tuesday evening.

	20-09-2004 21:52									#19
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Looks alright so far. Top of the military graph, we could do with a few more of those units on the borders though to see whats coming or to pillage roads and generally annoy civs.

	21-09-2004 04:49									#20
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Maq have you found that to be a good tactic that you use consistently?

I usually beef up my cities, and then take a unit or two from each every now and again to make a 12 stack for attacking with.

	21-09-2004 04:59									#21
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This is almost what I am doing when I am playing a 4X game though I am also trying to secure as soon as possible the borders in order to reduce the garrison in the cities located inside my inner territory.

	21-09-2004 05:17									#22
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quote: Maq have you found that to be a good tactic that you use consistently?

Yeah i usually put units around the borders and explore heavily at first.

In our situation some people like each city to fend for itself and build only units and some buildings to start, but in this situation i prefer to build all my roads asap because they can be used for quick attack and defence on all sides.

	21-09-2004 10:10									#23
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Pheonician Intellegence Report:

There leader doesn't really like you but we've bribed one of his advisors to put in a good word for us.

	23-09-2004 02:37									#24
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Sorry for the delay but I had an unexpected visit yesterday that prevented me from playing (the culprit knows who he is ). Unfortunately I have another problem tonight, linked to the game though.

After I loaded the save, I made a Reloadslic before playing my turns as we did during the first succession game or when we played the DG. After I played my first turn, in which the Egyptians took and destroyed Isandlwana, the game sent me a message according to which some settings and options have to be set again after Slics are reloaded.

Is this a bug? Do I have to ignore the message? Has anyone received such a warning before?

	23-09-2004 02:47									#25
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Haven't come accross it before, but I'd say ignore it.
Sounds like the game itself won't be effected.

Perhaps check to make sure the settings you like are on, and just continue from there.

	23-09-2004 02:51									#26
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I havent been reloading slics, does it crash if you dont reload slic?

	23-09-2004 03:16									#27
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I have strange messages in the message section of the interface and it has always been recommanded to do a Reloadslic when you are playing a game saved by another.

	23-09-2004 03:29									#28
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Tamerlin

Could you try it over again without reloading Slic. With this mod you should only reloadslic if you absolutely have to.

What strange messages do you have?

	23-09-2004 04:07									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Peter Triggs Tamerlin Could you try it over again without reloading Slic. With this mod you should only reloadslic if you absolutely have to.

OK, I will try it again but it is now too late to play as I have to get up early tomorrow.

quote: What strange messages do you have?

I have made a mistake, there are no strange messages in the empire manager windows but there is one just after Isandlwana is taken. The message states that there is nothing built and there is another sentence largely overstepping the limits of the window inside what seems to be an overstretched button. The text also displays some parts were there seems to be an incomplete code like {gold[0]} (sorry I know nothing about slic).

	24-09-2004 03:35									#30
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Amahd Tam'r Lin the First reign will be remembered as a reign of chaos and war against the treacherous Egyptians and Canadians. But amidst the terror and the disorder there are some reasons to hope, we now have the mightiest army and soldiers are flooding our ranks. Our ennemies are about to learn what revenge and conquest are and they will soon beg for mercy.

2025 BC Peace proposals accepted by the Egyptians and the Canadians

2000 BC Peace broken by the Egyptians who attacked and destroyed Isandlwana
BQs changed to Archers and Warriors
Geometry changed to Bronze Working (defence first)

1975 BC Surprise attack by the Canadians easily parried by our brave warriors

1900 BC Iron Working started, we must have Legions before Catapults if we want to conquer the world
Phoenicians agree to withdraw from our territory
Egyptian attack on Kwena, thousands of Egyptians die for nothing, their blood is offered to our Gods

1875 BC Peace proposal rejected by the Phoenicians who accept again to withdraw their troops
The behavior of this people is strange
Warriors changed to Hoplites in every BQ

1825 BC "Sortie" from Pedi to kill an Egyptian warband wandering in the country
Hoplite Rushbuy in Kwena

1800 BC Kwena savagely attacked and razed by the Egyptians whose legendary cruelty is now tought to all our children
Hours of work per day raised as our people understand everyone of us must make some sacrifices
Egyptians agree to a cease fire
Wages raised to 8 per citizen in order to satisfy the crowds

1750 BC Xhosa attacked by a Slaver from an unknown origin
Legions started in Sotho
We now have a 12 units stack ready to hunt Canadians and Egyptians mercenaries around our Capital

1700 BC Korean Slaver killed near Swazi. Certainly ashamed because of their terrible act, the Koreans immediately agree to a cease-fire
Reduced hours of work per day in order to ease the pressure on our empire

1675 BC Shrine started in Tlokwa as the ungrateful inhabitants of this town are becoming difficult to manage

1625 BC A Canadian army of 5 units is destroyed by the ZEF (Zulu Expeditionnary Force) between Natal and Montreal at the cost of one Warrior whose glorious sacrifice will be remembered for ages

A stack of 5 Egyptians units is wandering around Swazi, Xhosa is our most vulnerable city in this area. Tswana BQ is empty.

The last king of the Tam'r Lin dinasty dies while performing Jabutu's Greater Ritual of Eternal Life.

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