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Aug 2001
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I'm not an American and if I were I'd never vote for Bush, but I feel pretty confident in predicting that Bush will win this election without too much difficulty.
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mrmitchell
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Links. Gallup is not a bad poll. Pew? Never heard of that one. Is that one of those where they poll far more democrats then republicans? |
Fez, can you slow down enough to not let your ignorance show?
Gallup is not a far-right polling organization. They just had a bad sample.
If you haven't heard of Pew at all, you haven't been paying much attention at all to politics except for coming here to spew fezz everywhere.
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MRT144
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Seattle Washington
Oct 2002
time: 21:23
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i really have given up hope on kerry. bush for 4 more years? lets see how bad he ****s up.
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GePap
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of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
time: 23:23
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Originally posted by Sprayber
Are you really that partisian or is it an act? I mean do you really think Kerry is a great guy or something? I was just wondering cause you seem to think Kerry is somehow different from the standard politician. Oh and you don't have to be too condecending in your answer, I'm honestly curious.  |
Maybe you forgot I backed Dean, not Kerry, so I have never been a huge Dean fan. I am also the first to blame his campaign as inept.
But since when is it partisan to think what they pulled on Kerry was absurd? Most of those charges and the most serious were utterly unsibstantiated, and yet everyone jumped on them. To say that "Kerry made his war record an issue, its fair game" is different from what actually happened- which was a political mugging. And we have past experience with the people running this campaign pulling those stunts. I work in politics now, even if just NYC local-what gets me is that people fail to see this as just that, a political mugging.
Its also why I do act condescending- people say they want issues, then spend hours on this. Thats hypocrasy. Yes, i spend hours decrying that, but as I said, I don;t give a **** about Vietnam. Its not an issue for me, never was an never will- I dislike (hate) Bush for many other reasons.
As for "seeming partisan"- I am a democrat, I want to win. But if we have a discussion about POLICY, not simple street politics, then I will discuss with anyone (who is rational)
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Ogie Oglethorpe
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Marietta, GA
Dec 1999
time: 05:23
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Maybe you forgot I backed Dean, not Kerry, so I have never been a huge Dean fan. |
Now thats what I call damning support! 
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I am also the first to blame his campaign as inept.
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We all thought the Dean campaign inept or were you refering to Kerry?
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But since when is it partisan to think what they pulled on Kerry was absurd? Most of those charges and the most serious were utterly unsibstantiated, and yet everyone jumped on them. |
No that was quite the point. No one in establishment media jumped on them. They instead jumped on the messengers in an attempt to immediately discredit them. All that was ever asked is that there was an investigation and release of all relevant records akin to what Bush has been asked to do and has compied with.
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Its also why I do act condescending- people say they want issues, then spend hours on this. Thats hypocrasy. Yes, i spend hours decrying that, but as I said, I don;t give a **** about Vietnam. Its not an issue for me, never was an never will- I dislike (hate) Bush for many other reasons.
As for "seeming partisan"- I am a democrat, I want to win. But if we have a discussion about POLICY, not simple street politics, then I will discuss with anyone (who is rational) |
Yet you deny the core issue, which is not about Bush or Kerry, and I could really give a rats patout about either but more so the clearly biased media treatment of like issues. The issue here is the death of modern media not the candidates, to me a much larger issue.
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GePap
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of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
time: 23:23
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Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
No that was quite the point. No one in establishment media jumped on them. They instead jumped on the messengers in an attempt to immediately discredit them. All that was ever asked is that there was an investigation and release of all relevant records akin to what Bush has been asked to do and has compied with. |
The Washington Post and Fox News are mainstream media-WaPo is most definitely establishment (ditto Wall Street Journal), so this claim is absurd to begin with. As for "an investigation", I htink most people have a minimum burden of proof before wasting resources. On most charges those guys did not meet them. I doubt if I called the media and charged that Bush was still doing coke when gov of Texas that the media would care or take me seriously.
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Yet you deny the core issue, which is not about Bush or Kerry, and I could really give a rats patout about either but more so the clearly biased media treatment of like issues. The issue here is the death of modern media not the candidates, to me a much larger issue. |
One channel ran a piece against Bush (CBS)- you know how many channels there are? Its called choice. As for the death of modern media, the lack of indepth coverage of Iraq and Afghanistan, of compteting plans for healthcare, of trade and budget iseues- yes, those are huge media failings-and thank god for Bush, cause he wins in that.
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Admiral
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of the peace and coexistance movement
Feb 2001
time: 00:23
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If one really wants to get into the "party of hate," argument, then:
The Democratic party has since Wilson been a party of toleration, and inclusion, and has as a result been much more diverse, and hence factionalized, than the Republican party (this accounts for how many Democrats vote Republican in elections, but few Republicans vote Democrat). The Republican party has, in the past 50 years, become a party of intolerance (They opposed the civil rights acts, they are anti-gay). Now, intolerance does not necessarily lead to hate, but it is much closer to it, and often does, than tolerance. Also, currently, the religious right has monopolized the Republican party. You cannot deny that Bush said that he thinks of himself on a mission from God, he is trying to have religious groups take the place of programs like welfare, his stance against stem cells and gays and abortion are all dictated by the religious right. And this is a group that propogates hate. They, who are opposed to abortion because they think it murder, go and murder the people who perform abortions (yes, only some of the religious right condone and support such acts, but it has occurred enough that the "bad apples" argument does not really hold sway). Finally, what has been misinterpreted in the democrats as "mindless hate," is instead the realization that Bush stands against basically every value they have. The "anyone but Bush" argument is merely an acknowledgement that it is hard to imagine anyone taking the country down a path more disturbing to the left than the path Bush is following.
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