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Ned is offline Ned
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Most of her recent column is on Rathergate, but she ends on this note, which identifies why CBS screwed up and why Cronkite was critical to America losing the Vietnam war.

"The Swift Boat Veterans for Truth show the role of the individual in history. It wasn't Republican strategists who finished Kerry off two months before the election; it was the American people. The Swift Boat veterans came along and kicked Kerry in the shins and no matter how much heat they took, they were brave and wouldn't give up. The veterans who served with Kerry told the truth and the American people listened (as soon as they managed to locate a copy of "Unfit for Command" hidden on one of the back shelves at their local bookstores).

CBS was forced to run a fake story so early in the campaign that it was exposed as a fraud – only because of the Swift Boat vets. These brave men, many of them decorated war heroes, have now not only won the election for Bush, they have ended Dan Rather's career.

It's often said that we never lost a battle in Vietnam, but that the war was lost at home by a seditious media demoralizing the American people. Ironically, the leader of that effort was Rather's predecessor at CBS News, Walter Cronkite, president of the Ho Chi Minh Admiration Society.

It was Cronkite who went on air and lied about the Tet offensive, claiming it was a defeat for the Americans. He told the American people the war was over and we had lost. Ronald Reagan said CBS News officials should have been tried for treason for those broadcasts.

CBS has already lost one war for America. The Swift Boat Vets weren't going to let CBS lose another one."

http://www.anncoulter.org/

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Damn those perfidious liberals! Will they stop at nothing?

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Damn those perfidious liberals! Will they stop at nothing?


Not liberals. Scum left. Liberalism was once a very honorable movement that sought to bring greater freedom and liberty to mankind. Today, that is the honor of the Republican party, who are known as neocons or conservatives. Today's liberals are yesterday's Marxists of varying extremes. All one has to do is read the Communist Manifesto to understand where a "liberal" will come out on any issue.

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She's so funny!

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And if you read Mein Kampf you can find out where the Republicans come out. /equally insane comparison

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At least she's honest enough to equate the disastrous war in Iraq to the disastrous war in Vietnam.

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MikeH, there are anachonisms, but on the whole, today's left follows that "hallowed" roadmap almost religiously.

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loinburger -- the comonality lies in the deliberate subversion of CBS news.

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The Communist Manifesto suggests such radical things as "free education for all" and "free healthcare for all". You mean stuff like that? Those crazy insane leftists!

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I'm particulary amused by heir homegrown, all-american version of die Dolchstoßlegende:

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It's often said that we never lost a battle in Vietnam, but that the war was lost at home by a seditious media demoralizing the American people.

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Not liberals. Scum left. Liberalism was once a very honorable movement that sought to bring greater freedom and liberty to mankind. Today, that is the honor of the Republican party, who are known as neocons or conservatives. Today's liberals are yesterday's Marxists of varying extremes. All one has to do is read the Communist Manifesto to understand where a "liberal" will come out on any issue.


hilarious

Part of the Republican party is tied to the religious right -- the group of people who oppose liberty and equality.

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Yes, MikeH. And things like steep, progressive taxation, "emancipation" of women from marriage (i.e., traditional marriages are bad), the labor movement, state ownership of major business, control of the press, etc., etc., etc.

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I have to stop lurking this thread whilst at work. "CBS has already lost one war for America" made me laugh that hard, that my vis-a-vis coworker raised his eyebrows, guessing why all of a sudden I find my work that funny.

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I'm sure Malevolent Light and others will rejoice at finally seeing a piece of fair, unbiased reporting like this. Although it still has some unpleasant tinges of leftism because John Kerry isn't referred to as "the traitorous, rat-bastard, pile of sh*t Kerry". When oh when will we finally get the the full, objective truth from the media?

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hilarious

Part of the Republican party is tied to the religious right -- the group of people who oppose liberty and equality.


MrFun, I am not a member of the religious right. Never have been. There are people like Schwarzenegger and Guiliani who are Republicans. Don't paint with a too broad brush.

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Coulter doesn't know what she's talking about. Rather will survive. I keep telling you that he is throwing Mapes under a bus. The plan already started and appears to be working. By sacrificing her, he saves himself.

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MrFun, I am not a member of the religious right. Never have been. There are people like Schwarzenegger and Guiliani who are Republicans. Don't paint with a too broad brush.


Do you not understand my use of the words "part of" in my post?

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Yes, MikeH. And things like steep, progressive taxation, "emancipation" of women from marriage (i.e., traditional marriages are bad), the labor movement, state ownership of major business, control of the press, etc., etc., etc.


OK... so I'm a communist!

Of that only two things I would think are really bad: state ownership of major business - only for things like water, power etc. and control of the press I disagree with, it should be regulated but not by government bodies.

Other than that all sensible policies. Emancipation of women just means giving them independence and allowing them to work, vote etc. It only means 'traditional marriages are bad' in the sense that traditional marriages where the woman is effectively the property of the husband is bad. Which I can't imagine anyone would disagree with in modern western democracy age.

Much of the Communist Manifesto was wrong, especially the way it would happen, but we have a lot of the reforms Marx thought we needed already, they just came about naturally as countries got richer and land/factory owners realised that fitter happier workers were more productive. You can't impose them but if people want them you can't stop them getting it at the end of the day.

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Mike H, it might be better said that the Communist Manifesto had one or two good ideas rather than one or two bad ones.

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Is it really worth arguing with communists? They're never going to change and they're never going to take power so what's the use? They're on the fringes of society and that's where they'll always be, useless to society.

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Mike H, it might be better said that the Communist Manifesto had one or two good ideas rather than one or two bad ones.


Fair enough.

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Ann Coulter and her "chicken little" outlook -- part ten.

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Is it really worth arguing with communists? They're never going to change and they're never going to take power so what's the use? They're on the fringes of society and that's where they'll always be, useless to society.


According to Ned they are now the mainstream opposition in the US.

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Damn, now I spilled coffee on my shirt, this thread cracks me up.

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Damn, now I spilled coffee on my shirt, this thread cracks me up.


Great -- now you're going to file a lawsuit against Apolyton because you spilled coffee on yourself.

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Part of the Republican party is tied to the religious right -- the group of people who oppose liberty and equality.


I assume you consider me to be part of this religious right.

What liberty do I oppose, and what equality do I oppose? Just because I do not agree with you as to what constitutes liberty and equality, does not make me any more opposed to liberty and equality then you are.

After all, could I not accuse you of being against liberty and equality, just as much as you accuse me?

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According to Ned they are now the mainstream opposition in the US.


Can you show me one difference between the platform of the communists and the platform of the Democrats? The two are remarkably similar.

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I assume you consider me to be part of this religious right.

What liberty do I oppose, and what equality do I oppose? Just because I do not agree with you as to what constitutes liberty and equality, does not make me any more opposed to liberty and equality then you are.

After all, could I not accuse you of being against liberty and equality, just as much as you accuse me?



someone took the troll bait

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Are you saying that your right to persecute homosexuals is equal to MrFun's right to be homosexual?

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Can you show me one difference between the platform of the communists and the platform of the Democrats? The two are remarkably similar.

 
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