24-09-2004 06:49									#91
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Most of her recent column is on Rathergate, but she ends on this note, which identifies why CBS screwed up and why Cronkite was critical to America losing the Vietnam war. "The Swift Boat Veterans for Truth show the role of the individual in history. It wasn't Republican strategists who finished Kerry off two months before the election; it was the American people. The Swift Boat veterans came along and kicked Kerry in the shins and no matter how much heat they took, they were brave and wouldn't give up.

Yup to that, the ads and the GOP convention did Kerry in... Bush will win by %3-4 at least.

quote: The veterans who served with Kerry told the truth and the American people listened (as soon as they managed to locate a copy of "Unfit for Command" hidden on one of the back shelves at their local bookstores).

Which veterans? There seems to be two contrasting versions and the other is positive, that and the obvious motive the SBVT have to get back at Kerry for what he said back then leaves us nowhere. How does she "know" the truth when even the people who were there can't agree on what happened?

quote: CBS was forced to run a fake story so early in the campaign that it was exposed as a fraud – only because of the Swift Boat vets. These brave men, many of them decorated war heroes, have now not only won the election for Bush, they have ended Dan Rather's career.

Payback's a *****

quote: It's often said that we never lost a battle in Vietnam, but that the war was lost at home by a seditious media demoralizing the American people. Ironically, the leader of that effort was Rather's predecessor at CBS News, Walter Cronkite, president of the Ho Chi Minh Admiration Society. It was Cronkite who went on air and lied about the Tet offensive, claiming it was a defeat for the Americans. He told the American people the war was over and we had lost. Ronald Reagan said CBS News officials should have been tried for treason for those broadcasts.

We lost that war the minute the CinC et al decided it was to be a "limited" war like in Korea which turned into a stalemate ended Eisenhower. The US had never lost a war up until then but nukes not only induce peace among the empowered, they result in limited wars in someone else's backyard. Oops, and that's what leads to terrorists and then to terrorists with nukes.

quote: CBS has already lost one war for America. The Swift Boat Vets weren't going to let CBS lose another one."

Ouch, well put even if it's debatable...

http://www.anncoulter.org/ [/QUOTE]

	24-09-2004 06:55									#92
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quote: Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola Funny how she has a more sucess, more fans, more fame, and a better life than you do.

Exhibit A in the dumbing down of America.

But she's a smart girl. She knows its profitable to be a right wing shrieker these days.

The small fact that Republican interests paid for her heroes to besmirch Kerry seems to have escaped her article somehow....

	24-09-2004 07:12									#93
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quote: Funny how she has a more sucess, more fans, more fame, and a better life than you do.

I weep for my country But we pay guys millions for putting a ball in a hoop too, so... She does look happy though, everytime I see her it's the same bubbly, happy go lucky demeanor as she sinks her fangs into someone. At least she ain't a fundie

	24-09-2004 07:56									#94
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Not liberals. Scum left. Liberalism was once a very honorable movement that sought to bring greater freedom and liberty to mankind. Today, that is the honor of the Republican party, who are known as neocons or conservatives. Today's liberals are yesterday's Marxists of varying extremes. All one has to do is read the Communist Manifesto to understand where a "liberal" will come out on any issue.

Yours is an odd sort of freedom and liberty. If you say so.

	24-09-2004 08:28									#95
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	24-09-2004 08:38									#96
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi 1. Abortion is a point of agreement between the Communist party and the Democrats.

No it isn't. We believe in abortion on demand without limitations. Democrats don't, they merely believe that women should have the right to choose in most cases.

	24-09-2004 08:50									#97
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@ Democrats and Communists are the same.

Yeah, I can really see che and Kerry agreeing on a lot .

	24-09-2004 11:00									#98
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quote: We believe in abortion on demand without limitations. Democrats don't, they merely believe that women should have the right to choose in most cases.

Uh, are these the same democrats opposing the Partial birth abortion ban?

If they think that partial birth abortions should be legal, than how can they oppose any abortion?

	24-09-2004 11:17									#99
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Uh, are these the same democrats opposing the Partial birth abortion ban? If they think that partial birth abortions should be legal, than how can they oppose any abortion?

Ben, a "Partial Birth Abortion" is a Dilate and Extract procedure. It has little to do with the gestation stage of the non-human.

	24-09-2004 11:28									#100
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quote: Ben, a "Partial Birth Abortion" is a Dilate and Extract procedure. It has little to do with the gestation stage of the non-human.

They have to induce labour prematurely.

Partial-birth makes sense.

	24-09-2004 11:38									#101
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quote: Originally posted by Kontiki How convenient, you actually linked to it yourself. Well, then go ahead and pull out the parts where they want to repeal NAFTA, ratify Kyoto, remove military recruiters, etc.

Here's a bit on Kyoto...

quote: “When Bill Clinton needed support on tough and politically difficult issues like climate change, the one person we could always count on was John Kerry. He came to every round of negotiations over the Kyoto Protocol all around the world and was a strong voice for action. He was always out-numbered by corporate lobbyists and opponents of environmental progress, but he never back down. He not only has vision, he has guts.” -- Roger Ballentine, Former Director- White House Office on Climate Change

http://www.johnkerry.com/communitie...mentalists.html

quote: “Bush’s abrupt and unilateral decision to abandon discussions with the world community on climate change was early evidence of this Administration’s misguided approach to dealing with the community of nations. Dropping out of international implementation of the Kyoto Protocol was foolhardy then, and it is even more obviously foolhardy today. In our absence, many of our major trading partners in Europe and elsewhere have been working on the details of international programs to manage greenhouse gas emissions. American interests are on the sidelines, having no ability to influence the development of a system that will profoundly affect the global approach to resource protection and investment in climate change technologies….”

http://www.globalwarming.org/article.php?uid=622

	24-09-2004 11:52									#102
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Kerry on NAFTA:

quote: “If it were before me today I would vote against it because it doesn't have environmental or labor standards in it,” said Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts, who did vote for NAFTA. “If we're going to create jobs, the first thing we have to do is make sure George W. Bush loses his.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003...ain567487.shtml

	24-09-2004 15:01									#103
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One of the interesting things about the so-called liberal media in Vietnam is that most them went into the war either neutral and non political or supporters of the war. From 1965 to 1968 support for the war was high both in the media and the public.

It took about 3 years of daily BS from the US military in the infamous ever optimistic media briefings called the "five O'clock follies", and ever mounting casualties, to convince many journalists that the war was not going so well. The Tet offensive brought that disillusionment to a head.

We see the same pattern in Iraq. The US military is very good at spin but the mounting death toll and evidence that insurgents are not defeated gradually undermines the message over time.

Unfortunately it may take a major loss of life by coalition forces to crystalise public discontent. Something like the bombing of the marine barracks in Lebanon during the 80's when scores of marines died and Reagan pulled them out.

Where will chicken hawks like Coulter and her ilk be then? Probably keeping a low profile and blaming someone else as usual.

	24-09-2004 17:04									#104
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quote: Originally posted by monolith94 Yours is an odd sort of freedom and liberty. If you say so.

You do know that picture was taken during the Tet Offensive, when Johnson, a Democrat, was president?

	24-09-2004 17:05									#105
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara No it isn't. We believe in abortion on demand without limitations. Democrats don't, they merely believe that women should have the right to choose in most cases.

Of course, Che. Democrats are bad communists because they are not extreme enough.

	24-09-2004 17:09									#106
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Horse's A, what you say about Vietnam is somewhat accurate in that many in the media turned against the war after Tet because they had just been told by Westmorland that there was "light at the end of the tunnel." After Tet, everyone knew that Johnson's strategy of escallation to match the enemy would never work in forcing the North to negotiate a peace.

That is why the people elected, barely and only because of Wallace, Richard Nixon who promised to end the war.

	24-09-2004 18:27									#107
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right - so Bush gets 4 more years because you haven't got sick of the war yet

	24-09-2004 18:29									#108
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Ben, I'm still waiting for you to respond to my points. A simple admission of defeat would be fine. Frankly, I'm getting sick of you getting your ass handed to you in a debate only to turn around and present the same arguments at a later date, pretending you weren't beaten down in the first place.

So, for the last time, either actually defend your position that the CPUSA and Democratic platforms have no differences between them, or admit that you made a blatently false statement.

	24-09-2004 18:35									#109
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Here's a bit on Kyoto... http://www.johnkerry.com/communitie...mentalists.html http://www.globalwarming.org/article.php?uid=622

I still don't see where Kerry says he will ratify Kyoto, but I don't mind conceding this point since it has no bearing on my argument.

	24-09-2004 18:49									#110
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Kerry on NAFTA: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003...ain567487.shtml

Which means that he would seek to repeal NAFTA how? Do you understand what repeal means?

	24-09-2004 18:52									#111
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara No it isn't. We believe in abortion on demand without limitations.

Something I agree with commies on

	24-09-2004 19:13									#112
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia Something I agree with commies on

Wow Caligastia, all of your polical views must be identical to those of both the Democrats and the Communists!

	24-09-2004 19:13									#113
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse right - so Bush gets 4 more years because you haven't got sick of the war yet

Come on, Horse. Get real.

We have the same exit strategy as did Nixon.

	24-09-2004 19:17									#114
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The "let 'em rot" exit strategy? It certainly worked wonders for South Vietnam...

	24-09-2004 19:18									#115
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quote: Originally posted by Kontiki Wow Caligastia, all of your polical views must be identical to those of both the Democrats and the Communists!

Someone needs to chill out.

	24-09-2004 19:20									#116
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Sorry, just trying on BK logic for size. Doesn't fit.

	24-09-2004 19:22									#117
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quote: Originally posted by Kontiki Ben, I'm still waiting for you to respond to my points. A simple admission of defeat would be fine. Frankly, I'm getting sick of you getting your ass handed to you in a debate only to turn around and present the same arguments at a later date, pretending you weren't beaten down in the first place. So, for the last time, either actually defend your position that the CPUSA and Democratic platforms have no differences between them, or admit that you made a blatently false statement.

Kontiki, you must admit, though, to a certain congruency. The Dems cannot be as extreme as the Commies -- otherwise they couldn't win any elections. So they sugarcoat their programs with moderate words, but their actions in power are indistinguishable from what the communists would do:

1) continue to erode the family by any number of initiatives;
2) hike taxes on the rich to make the taxes progressive and restore death tax confiscations;
3) reduce the influence of religion and to ostracize it;
4) reduce or eliminate property rights;
5) support organized labor above all;
6) reduce free trade between nations; and, above all else,
7) reduce the military power of the United States.

	24-09-2004 19:29									#118
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quote: Originally posted by Kontiki Sorry, just trying on BK logic for size. Doesn't fit.

Ben's mistake was that he opened his argument by implying that the democrats and the commies were almost identical.

Obviously there are differences, but in the issues that matter to me most (taxation, immigration) they are very similar.

	24-09-2004 19:29									#119
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quote: Originally posted by loinburger The "let 'em rot" exit strategy? It certainly worked wonders for South Vietnam...

Loin, you and I both know that South Vietnam was killed by the Demoncrat Congress who cut off military supplies after 1973 and who deliberately hamstrung Ford in '75. The Demoncrats were dancing in the aisles of Congress, giving each other high fives, as fleeing Catholic Vietnamese were shown in panic at the approach of Ho's Heroes. As each SV citizens' copter fell helplessly into the sea, the Demoncrats raised another toast to their health and short lives.

Kerry now wants to do the same with Allawi. His demonization of Allawi yesterday is very similar to the demonization of the government of South Vietnam by Kerry in the 70s. He did it before and he is doing it again.

Communist bastard!

	24-09-2004 19:30									#120
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Kontiki, you must admit, though, to a certain congruency. The Dems cannot be as extreme as the Commies -- otherwise they couldn't win any elections. So they sugarcoat their programs with moderate words, but their actions in power are indistinguishable from what the communists would do: 1) continue to erode the family by any number of initiatives; 2) hike taxes on the rich to make the taxes progressive and restore death tax confiscations; 3) reduce the influence of religion and to ostracize it; 4) reduce or eliminate property rights; 5) support organized labor above all; 6) reduce free trade between nations; and, above all else, 7) reduce the military power of the United States.

The only thing I must admit is the high probability that one of your posts will make me burst out laughing. And yet again, you don't disappoint!