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Free French Forces were considered part of the Allies

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Thank you plato.

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half truth is a lie.


Cheney would know.

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Thank you plato.


You didn't beat me to it by much!

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Did Edwards basically say that his solution to reducing frivolous lawsuits is to let lawyers decide which lawsuits have merit? :LOL:

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Cheney would know.


And seems to be calling Edwards on it regularly.

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Yes, he did.

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Oh? Not in my history book. They were French resistance helping allies.

Now, you'd wonder why no one else, no news station, no one has claimed this way of calculation of the coalition. You'd think, that wow Cheney really came up with something no one else did. Wrong. He didn't. Because this is NOT how you measure the coalition.

I could explain you why, but it would take a lot of time, mostly explaining WHY Iraqi security etc are their OWN entity that has tight connection with coalition but is NOT coalition. They have different attributes, they have different everything. But you have made up your mind already, so I don't waste my time own you.

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I'm sure that the American and Polish forces are structured very differently too.

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Oh? Not in my history book. They were French resistance helping allies.

Now, you'd wonder why no one else, no news station, no one has claimed this way of calculation of the coalition. You'd think, that wow Cheney really came up with something no one else did. Wrong. He didn't. Because this is NOT how you measure the coalition.

I could explain you why, but it would take a lot of time, mostly explaining WHY Iraqi security etc are their OWN entity that has tight connection with coalition but is NOT coalition. They have different attributes, they have different everything. But you have made up your mind already, so I don't waste my time own you.


This is not the point. The point is that Edward's was trying to make this the whole point, when it is clearly only part of the truth. Another half truth on Edward's part.

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"putting people behind crime".

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OK OK, since there has been some claims that French resistance WAS the allied, I mean that's the claim, if they are part of allied then they are allied. My claim is, they were helping allied, and were part of the effort, but their own entity (I dont' know what is so difficult understanding this):

Wikipedia says:

The French Resistance was the resistance movement that fought military occupation of France by Nazi Germany and the resulting Vichy France during World War II after France surrendered in 1940. French Resistance cooperated with Allied secret services (see Special Operations Executive), especially in providing intelligence on the Atlantic Wall and coordinating sabotages and other actions to contribute to the success of Operation Overlord.

This clearly says that they were their own entity, and NOT allied per se. Now, go fetch your fishy sources of information and .. **** I dont' even feel like debating this, I think this is so trivial.

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"putting people behind crime".

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Cheney's finding it difficult to keep his cool. Wouldn't it be fun if he slips and uses the f-word?

He (Cheney) has landed a number of light punches but it really doesn't matter, he's losing the debate because he comes across like a major a--hole. And Edwards has delivered the most damaging blow so far by bringing up Halliburton, Cheney didn't have an adequate response.

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OK OK, since there has been some claims that French resistance WAS the allied, I mean that's the claim, if they are part of allied then they are allied. My claim is, they were helping allied, and were part of the effort, but their own entity (I dont' know what is so difficult understanding this):

Wikipedia says:

The French Resistance was the resistance movement that fought military occupation of France by Nazi Germany and the resulting Vichy France during World War II after France surrendered in 1940. French Resistance cooperated with Allied secret services (see Special Operations Executive), especially in providing intelligence on the Atlantic Wall and coordinating sabotages and other actions to contribute to the success of Operation Overlord.

This clearly says that they were their own entity, and NOT allied per se. Now, go fetch your fishy sources of information and .. **** I dont' even feel like debating this, I think this is so trivial.

1. It does not clearly say that.
2. Wikipedia isn't God.
3. Look at the word. Allied forces. As in forces who were allied with each other.

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Edwards is such a sycophant.

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I think this is so trivial.


Agreed.

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Agreed.

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1. YES IT SAYS IT CLEARLY! What the hell is wrong with you?!?!?!?!

2. Come up with better resource. It is the God so far.

3. I know what the word means. You are trying to spin and scramble. ****ing pathetic.

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He (Cheney) has landed a number of light punches but it really doesn't matter, he's losing the debate because he comes across like a major a--hole.


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Edwards is much more funny

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Clowns are.

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plato, jaguar, I suggest we don't stick on that subject anymore. tha Debate is almost over and far gone from that point. And it won't go anywhere but wrist slitting by both parties.

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1. YES IT SAYS IT CLEARLY! What the hell is wrong with you?!?!?!?!

2. Come up with better resource. It is the God so far.

3. I know what the word means. You are trying to spin and scramble. ****ing pathetic.

Allied. Would you suggest that the French resistance wasn't allied with us?

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Edwards is such a liar. He is simply pathetic.

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plato, jaguar, I suggest we don't stick on that subject anymore. tha Debate is almost over and far gone from that point. And it won't go anywhere but wrist slitting by both parties.

Fortunately I'm able to concentrate on more than one thing at once, but this is very very very trivial.

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plato, jaguar, I suggest we don't stick on that subject anymore. tha Debate is almost over and far gone from that point. And it won't go anywhere but wrist slitting by both parties.


I had already moved on.

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Oh who ****ing cares?!

Even if we go with Cheney's definition, which is totally valid, that just means that a whole shitload of Iraqis are dying. This is supposed to be a good thing?


Seems pretty even so far. Both have landed some pretty good zingers and some solid arguments, and both have stumbled on occasion. Slight edge to Cheney at the moment, simply for stumbling slightly less than Edwards.

What is abundantly clear is that Bush is obviously the worst debater of the four, and that the debate is much more interesting when the candidates actually, you know, debate.

I'd actually rather Cheney be President over Bush, for the simple reason that it makes me uncomfortable that the President of the United States of America is a complete ****wit.

 
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