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Bush 86 49.43%
Kerry 88 50.57%
Total: 174 voters 100%
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Alexander's Horse is offline Alexander's Horse
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ya, the heartland rallies around the man who made the USA hated throughout the world in a kind of lemming like solidarity.

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Electoral Vote Predictor 2004: Kerry 236 Bush 281



Strong Kerry (88)
Weak Kerry (83)
Barely Kerry (65)
Exactly tied (21)
Barely Bush (63)
Weak Bush (71)
Strong Bush (147)
Needed to win: 270

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Supposing that all ties go to Kerry...

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Supposing all ties go to Bush...

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Boris Godunov is offline Boris Godunov
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Remember our bet Boris?

You choose my avatar for two weeks unless Bush wins 2/3rds of the states, and 2/3rds of the college.


I don't think that was the bet...we need to research it. IIRC, you said a "Bush landslide," to which I responded that that would require a 10% or greater margin in the popular vote. Did we make a bet on the EC?

At any rate, you're losing the bet, big time. There's no way Bush will win with 2/3 of the EC. Not when he, has the incumbent, is polling 47-48% in most polls this close to the election.

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The bet was 2/3rds of the college, 2/3rds of the states.

Look at my earlier post. I showed, how easily this could happen. If the states that are close for Kerry fall, then I win.

Kerry can even keep New Hampshire.

Boris Godunov is offline Boris Godunov
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Look at my earlier post. I showed, how easily this could happen. If the states that are close for Kerry fall, then I win.


That's not "easy," as the notion all those states will go for Bush is an unlikely scenario. Remember the incumbent/undecided breaking rule.

And like I said, I want research on the bet. Can we cite the original post?

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  Old Post 30-10-2004 19:38
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Article on those who put their money where their mouth is.

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The bets are in--Bush to win

Published: October 29, 2004, 10:24 AM PDT

By Andy McCue
Special to CNET News.com


George W. Bush is heading for a surprise landslide victory in next week's presidential elections, going by online betting patterns.

Although U.S. opinion polls are still finding it hard to separate President Bush from his Democratic challenger, Sen. John Kerry, customers of Betfair, an online betting exchange, have overwhelmingly backed the Republican candidate.


Betfair's latest figures show 2.3 million pounds ($4.2 million) have been wagered on Bush, while Kerry has attracted only 680,000 pounds ($1.25 million) in bets. Bush is now at 1-5 odds to stay in office, whereas gamblers can still get odds of 2-1 on Kerry to win.

Betfair said its betting patterns are a more accurate indication of election results than the opinion polls. The patterns correctly predicted that Australia's Prime Minister John Howard would comfortably secure a surprise victory in last month's general election.

Mark Davies, director of communications at Betfair, said opinion polls only survey a small percentage of the population, who have no real incentive to provide accurate information.

"In contrast, Betfair's prices are based on people who are prepared to put their money where their mouth is," Davies said in a statement. "Our figures have proved to be an amazingly accurate indicator at both the Australian general election last month and the California governor's election last year. As a result, we're sure George Bush will be pleased to hear that Betfair's sharp-minded punters are backing him to the hilt."

Boris Godunov is offline Boris Godunov
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Why not just rely on the color of the World Series uniforms?

http://www.businessweek.com/investo..._5207_pi039.htm

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Another random article.

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Labor Memo Suggests Bush to Win Election

Oct 29, 3:53 PM (ET)

By LEIGH STROPE

WASHINGTON (AP) - Labor Department staff, analyzing statistics from private economists, report in an internal memo that President Bush is likely to do "much better" in Tuesday's election than the polls are predicting.

The Kerry campaign said the analysis was an improper use of taxpayer money, and the Labor Department acknowledged Friday, "Clearly, this kind of armchair political analysis doesn't belong in government memos, even if they are entirely internal."

The Labor Department report, obtained by The Associated Press, includes an analysis of economic models that suggest Bush will beat Democrat John Kerry. Titled "In Focus: Predicting the Election Outcome," the memo says, "Nearly every single model has him winning."

"Some show the margin of victory being smaller than the models' inherent margin of error, while others report the lead as substantial. And this is without the consideration of a third-party candidate."

Bush's win of the popular vote could be 57.5 percent, 55.7 percent or 51.2 percent, said the paper, dated Oct. 22 and prepared by the department's Employment and Training Administration staff for the assistant labor secretary.

The Bush administration blamed midlevel employees for preparing inappropriate government material.

"This appears to be an internal ETA document prepared by midlevel ETA staff," said Labor Department spokesman Ed Frank.

Kerry's campaign contended the Bush administration was wasting taxpayers' money.

"If the Bush administration focused more on the economy and less on politics, George Bush would not be the first president in 70 years to lose jobs," said Kerry campaign spokesman Phil Singer. "George Bush has turned the government into his own taxpayer-funded political machine."

The document also includes a Washington Post story, an article from Monster.com and charts and briefs on the latest economic indicators.

One factor in the election that has been "downplayed is the president's popularity," a variable the report says may be important. "Fortunately, there are models (that) incorporate this concept," it says.

The economic models are not infallible, but they do "systematically measure past data, which is a far cry better than relying on anecdotal evidence," the paper says. The models looked at an array of economic indicators, including gross domestic product, unemployment and inflation.

The analysis also discusses a futures market that lets players bid on a probable election outcome. It also checked Web sites of oddsmakers in America and abroad.

Ben Kenobi is offline Ben Kenobi
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  Old Post 30-10-2004 20:17
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Got spare money?

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=105915

I found this thread.

Not sure if we made the bet before or after dean, but this seems close to when we made the bet.

Boris Godunov is offline Boris Godunov
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  Old Post 30-10-2004 20:33
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http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=105915

I found this thread.

Not sure if we made the bet before or after dean, but this seems close to when we made the bet.


But there's nothing in there about our bet. Better keep looking.

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I know it has to be before the 23rd of April.

And I think it very revealing that you are not confident enough to keep to this bet of 2/3rds of the states and 2/3rds of the EC.

Boris Godunov is offline Boris Godunov
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And I think it very revealing that you are not confident enough to keep to this bet of 2/3rds of the states and 2/3rds of the EC.




Notice how I said above that I have no doubt that won't be the case.

I'm trying to keep you honest, that's all. You've demonstrated a "selective memory" in the past. I honestly don't recall that being the terms of the bet we made--but I could be wrong.

Why are you having such trouble finding the bet, hmm?

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Probably because bet and ben are three letter words, and don't register on the search.

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How's Wash...Ore...whichever soggy northwestern state you moved to?

Boris Godunov is offline Boris Godunov
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OR... it's quite nice, sogginess and all. Lots of Kerry/Edwards signs here.

I have out-of-town guests for the weekend. Need to head to breakfast with them now. Hopefully BK will be done searching by the time I can check back this evening.

Boris Godunov is offline Boris Godunov
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Oh, and latest Zogby: Kerry 47%, Bush 46%

For the incumbent to be at 46% 3 days before an election is disasterous. Bush's team is looking veeeery nervous lately, and we can see why!

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quote:

Probably because bet and ben are three letter words, and don't register on the search.


You try searching the **** OT archive.

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I apologise, Boris.

You never accepted the bet offered.

Guynemer on the other hand.

He'll owe we me a week volunteering for a prolife organisation.

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Ben, that bet was a little steep, don't you think?

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So you want to up the ante, eh, Guynemer?

Here's the deal.

Avatars, plus:

If you win, I have to spend a week volunteering at a planned parenthood clinic.

If I win, you have to volunteer for the local right to life organisation.


Done and done.

Bush must win 359 EC votes.

Ben Kenobi is offline Ben Kenobi
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quote:

Hopefully BK will be done searching by the time I can check back this evening.


I'm a researcher by trade.

You underestimate my 733t skillz.

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I forgot all about that.


This is so in the bag for me.

Ben Kenobi is offline Ben Kenobi
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So did I.

I thought it was Boris who accepted.

Are you in Michigan now, Guynemer?

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Nope. Ohio.

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To hit 359, here's what you'll need ("most" likely scenario):

All the solid Bush states (202), plus
New Mexico 5
Colorado 9
Nevada 5
Florida 27
Ohio 20
Michigan 17
Pennsylvania 21
Iowa 7
Minnesota 10
Wisconsin 10
New Jersey 15
Arkansas 6
West Virginia 5


Or, toss in New Hampshire AND Hawai'i (4 each) and let go of WV, AR, IA, NV, or NM.



You are screwed. All Kerry has to do for me to win the bet is hold his solid states and win ANY ONE of the following: FL, PA, OH, MI, MN, WI, NJ. Even an upset in Colorado would do it.

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Am I screwed?

New Mexico 5 more likely than not.
Colorado 9 same
Nevada 5 same
Arkansas 6 same
West Virginia 5 same
Ohio 20 same
Florida 27 same
Michigan 17 toss up
Pennsylvania 21 toss up
Iowa 7 toss up

Minnesota 10 not unreasonable
Wisconsin 10 same
New Jersey 15 same.

You are the one that should be worried. All your hopes are pinned on New Jersey. If Kerry loses New Jersey, you are likely shafted on all the rest.

To have it come down to one state, is where I want it to be.

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I'm undefeated on my avatar bets so far.

 
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