02-11-2004 19:52									#271
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quote: Before voting even began in Philladelphia -- poll watchers found nearly 2000 votes already planted on machines scattered throughout downtown... One incident occurred at the SALVATION ARMY, 2601 N. 11th St., Philadelphia, Pa: Ward 37, division 8... pollwatchers uncovered 4 machines with planted votes; one with over 200 and one with nearly 500... A second location, 1901 W. Girard Ave., Berean Institute, Philadelphia, Pa, had 300+ votes already on 2 machines at start of day... INCIDENT: 292 votes on machine at start of day; WARD/DIVISION: 7/7: ADDRESS: 122 W. Erie Ave., Roberto Clemente School, Philadelphia, Pa.; INCIDENT: 456 votes on machine at start of day; WARD/DIVISION: 12/3; ADDRESS: 5657 Chew Ave., storefront, Philadelphia, Pa... Developing...

	02-11-2004 19:57									#272
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Nice report from the rumor-mongering Drudge report.

It is quite possible it isn't true at all.

-Drachasor

	02-11-2004 19:58									#273
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Oooooh! Voting story!

This proves that life favors the intelligent.

I was waiting in line at the polls this morning, pondering how in a Democracy my vote counts as much as the idiot next to me, when a disenfranchised, would-be voter storms out!

She's about 50 pounds overweight, has not showered yet, is missing a tooth, and is wearing a ripped, faded, and torn Eminem t-shirt. She walks by and loudly exclaims in a twangy accent: "Why the hell won't they let me vote? I just registered last week!"

...and at that moment all I could think was God Bless America.



(For those not in the know the dealine for registering has long since passed."

	02-11-2004 20:00									#274
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I find your comments disturbing, Tuttle.

-Drachasor

	02-11-2004 20:06									#275
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quote: Originally posted by Drachasor I find your comments disturbing, Tuttle. -Drachasor

Disturbing, yes.

	02-11-2004 20:12									#276
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quote: Originally posted by Drachasor Nice report from the rumor-mongering Drudge report. It is quite possible it isn't true at all. -Drachasor

I know, I can't believe the Michael Moore trash Drudge links.

	02-11-2004 20:15									#277
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quote: Originally posted by Drachasor Nice report from the rumor-mongering Drudge report. It is quite possible it isn't true at all. -Drachasor

But what if it is?

Note it doesn't say who the votes were for.

I do have a guess, though, and by your protest I suspect you have the same guess.

	02-11-2004 20:17									#278
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quote: Originally posted by dojoboy I know, I can't believe the Michael Moore trash Drudge links.

Don't bring the Strawman of Michael Moore into this (I don't even like the fellow).

The Drudge report is well-known to have no journalistic integrity because it relies on rumor and even speculation.

If you contact him and said Ohio had similar problems in this area, that area, and another area, then the Drudge report would just post it up there without any fact checking.

What it says simply isn't reliable. Sometimes it happens to be true, and sometimes it is completely false.

-Drachasor

	02-11-2004 20:18									#279
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk But what if it is? Note it doesn't say who the votes were for. I do have a guess, though, and by your protest I suspect you have the same guess.

Ah, yes, Republicans- everyone needs a gun, but no one should dare vote- the real path to democracy!

	02-11-2004 20:19									#280
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk But what if it is? Note it doesn't say who the votes were for. I do have a guess, though, and by your protest I suspect you have the same guess.

No, I just don't trust the drudge report.

For all we know someone saw those votes before they were cleared from a previous election.

Drudge has no journalistic integrity, and you can't count on anything said to be true there.

-Drachasor

	02-11-2004 20:19									#281
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Q^3:
About third parties getting 5%, I don't see it coming at all, because the election is extremely polarized. Bush is a "love him or hate him" Personality. As such, a great many people on the left will vote for "Anyone But Bush", i.e Kerry.

As such, Nader won't be able to capitalize from the press attention he got 4 years ago. I expect Nader to fare far worse than in 2000.

The Libs will suffer from similar problems: many Libs-at-heart will hesitate between voting for their Third Party, or for the main candidate that is the less terrible in their opinion. This "wasted vote effect" will probably affect Badnarik less than Nader, but Badnarik relies on a lower voter base anyway, which partly comes from the very limited press he gets.

I think this election shows no chance for third parties to get 5% (I'd have voted third party if I had been an American citizen, however). Third parties may have their chance in an election where the incumbent is not as controversial as Bush.

	02-11-2004 20:20									#282
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Weak, GePap, weak.

	02-11-2004 20:21									#283
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quote: Originally posted by Harry Tuttle Disturbing, yes.

I found your story more sad and unfortunate. There is no joy in someone thinking they have registered and then finding out they aren't.

-Drachasor

	02-11-2004 20:21									#284
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Spiffor, there would have to be one third party that got 5% of the vote. They can't get 5% all-together. So yeah, it isn't going to happen.

-Drachasor

	02-11-2004 20:25									#285
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quote: Originally posted by Drachasor I found your story more sad and unfortuneate. There is no joy in someone thinking they have registered and then finding out they aren't. -Drachasor

Yeah, I can see how that can be a sad thing, but really, I have no feelings for this woman. This is the most publicized election in history, there have been numerous notices of the deadline, and it even says when you have to turn in the registration on the actual registration card.

It's unfortunate she can't vote, but it's all her own fault. You have to be informed to protect your rights.

	02-11-2004 20:26									#286
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quote: Originally posted by Drachasor Spiffor, there would have to be one third party that got 5% of the vote. They can't get 5% all-together. So yeah, it isn't going to happen.

Well, Nader had more than 3% in 2000 IIRC. If several left-wing parties agreed to build a "third-party" coalition (similar to the one in Canada), the emergence of a 5% Third Party could happen in the future.

	02-11-2004 20:26									#287
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quote: Originally posted by Drachasor Sometimes it happens to be true, and sometimes it is completely false. -Drachasor

Thank you.

	02-11-2004 20:31									#288
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Rudy Giuliani just said the same thing happened to him in NYC in 1989 -- machines were found pre-loaded with hundreds of votes for Dinkins.

	02-11-2004 20:33									#289
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quote: Originally posted by Harry Tuttle You have to be informed to protect your rights.

I agree with this, but you won't ever see me become a snobbish elitist in regards to the principle of right to vote.

	02-11-2004 20:34									#290
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Rudy Giuliani just said the same thing happened to him in NYC in 1989 -- machines were found pre-loaded with hundreds of votes for Dinkins.

Awww, poor Rudy- of course that doesn't change the fact he lost in 1989- what a Sore Loserman

	02-11-2004 20:36									#291
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quote: Originally posted by Harry Tuttle Yeah, I can see how that can be a sad thing, but really, I have no feelings for this woman. This is the most publicized election in history, there have been numerous notices of the deadline, and it even says when you have to turn in the registration on the actual registration card. It's unfortunate she can't vote, but it's all her own fault. You have to be informed to protect your rights.

Yes, voting should be harder than getting a gun, or a car registered! I mean, what if everyone voted!? Think of the disaster that would bring down upon us

	02-11-2004 20:36									#292
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Yeah, I guess cheaters sometimes do prosper, as Dinkins demonstrated so well -- at least until the rematch.

	02-11-2004 20:38									#293
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Stop hating America, you repug!

	02-11-2004 20:39									#294
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You see, Rudy learned from that little experience, and recruited thousands of poll-watchers.

That time, the rematch. they caught the pre-loaded machines, the misdirecting officials, the busloads of voters coming in to vote under the names of the dead.

	02-11-2004 20:41									#295
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yet again.

We all know republicans hate people voting- just give it up already

	02-11-2004 20:43									#296
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quote: Originally posted by GePap yet again. We all know republicans hate people voting- just give it up already

Just the dumb ones, who can't fill out a simple form.

	02-11-2004 20:44									#297
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I hate people voting multiple times, which kills my vote just as effectively as if I had been turned away from the polls -- more effectively, really, since if I had been turned away, I could appeal to a judge, make a noise, say "SEE! SEE HOW I HAVE BEEN DISENFRANCHISED!", and complain loudly to the media.

There is no appeal that will save my ballot from the dead.

	02-11-2004 20:47									#298
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quote: Originally posted by Drachasor I found your story more sad and unfortunate. There is no joy in someone thinking they have registered and then finding out they aren't. -Drachasor

The guy in front of me wasn't allowed to vote at our polling station. The workers simply called the courthouse and directed the gentleman to another one across town. Strangely now that I think about he actually looks like the guy that was registering the same day I did just a couple weeks ago. This is a small town so it is possible.

	02-11-2004 20:49									#299
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quote: Originally posted by Harry Tuttle Just the dumb ones, who can't fill out a simple form.

You forgot:

In time, a month ahead of schedule, as opposed to being able to fill it out that day.

By the way, did that woman not have the right to a provisional ballot, intituted in 2002, that would allow her to vote, but that would hold that vote up to scrutiny to see if it was actually valid? or an affidavit ballot?

	02-11-2004 20:52									#300
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber The guy in front of me wasn't allowed to vote at our polling station. The workers simply called the courthouse and directed the gentleman to another one across town. Strangely now that I think about he actually looks like the guy that was registering the same day I did just a couple weeks ago. This is a small town so it is possible.

I just heard of something like this happening in Columbus, Ohio. They were redirected from somewhere they had voted for a decade.

Odd.

Maybe there was redistricting or something.

-Drachasor