02-11-2004 16:05									#241
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Not signing the Kyoto treaty is one of the few things Bush did right. I'm kind of leaning his way on the European (nee International) Criminal Court.

	02-11-2004 16:05									#242
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph What is this thread about?

Mostly Canadian trade policy.

	02-11-2004 16:07									#243
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Mostly Canadian trade policy.

The correct answer would have been: "Own Goal"

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Offsides. The question is too open ended for an obvious answer.

	02-11-2004 16:09									#245
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Is Iraq a quagmire?

	02-11-2004 16:14									#246
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Not signing the Kyoto treaty is one of the few things Bush did right. I'm kind of leaning his way on the European (nee International) Criminal Court.

I can see you guys not going for the International court thingy ( seeing how often and how much you like 'travelling' abroad. ), not on Kyoto though.

	02-11-2004 16:17									#247
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Not signing the Kyoto treaty is one of the few things Bush did right. I'm kind of leaning his way on the European (nee International) Criminal Court.

And I never said Bush should of signed it as-is. He should have negotiated and worked with the other countries involved. Years had been spent on the Kyoto Treaty, and Bush just tossed those years aside. He didn't try to work with other countries on it, he just summarily dismissed the entire basic concept of such a treaty and left the negotiation table.

That's a horrible foreign policy, which was repeated with the ICC.

-Drachasor

	02-11-2004 16:25									#248
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quote: Originally posted by alva I can see you guys not going for the International court thingy ( seeing how often and how much you like 'travelling' abroad. ), not on Kyoto though.

Kyoto exempts nearly the entire world expect the West plus Japan & Korea. Latin America, Africa, and most of Asia get a free ride. All Kyoto will do is move manufacturing jobs from restricted countries to unrestricted countries without actually lessing the amount of pollution which is produced.

I don't know about you but if I'm going to destroy my country's highest paying jobs then I want to make sure it's actually helping to solve the pollution problem. Kyoto doesn't do that.

	02-11-2004 16:30									#249
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Kyoto is the international equivalent of a guy thrashing around in a panic, in knee-deep water.

	02-11-2004 16:47									#250
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At which time (GMT) do polling stations close?

	02-11-2004 16:54									#251
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The first polls (other then New Hampshire's strange midnight polls) are just beginning to open on the East Coast. In three hours the west coast will open.

	02-11-2004 16:57									#252
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quote: Originally posted by Atahualpa At which time (GMT) do polling stations close?

I think 9pm but there are numerous time zones between the east coast and hawaii.

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the battle has started...

Nader for president!

	02-11-2004 17:07									#254
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Top reasons to vote for Kerry:

1. DC needs a sudden influx of Iraqi restaurants. Viet Namese cuisine has gotten so boring. Can't wait to see what Kurdish cuisine is like.
2. Fahrenheit 9/11 likely to go out of circulation
3. Kerry-Sharon meetings
4. The reaction of the Lord God Putin
5. North Korea's reaction, whichever way they spin it.
6. Army and CIA having to put up or shut up, instead of griping about neo cons.
7. McCain in 2008

Top reasons to vote for Bush
1. Hilary in 2008
2. Make the French and German govts figure out how to live with 4 more years of Bush
3. More late night TV jokes about malapropisms
4. Did I forget to say, Hilary in 2008?

	02-11-2004 17:09									#255
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quote: Originally posted by Atahualpa At which time (GMT) do polling stations close?

It varies by state. Even in the eastern time zone, some states close as early as 7PM EST, (i think one or two close at 6PM) while New York doesnt close till 9PM EST. Then youve got the central and western states.

	02-11-2004 17:28									#256
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Let's just pretend to totally ignore Bush's complete and ongoing cluster**** in Iraq (I know it's difficult!), we have the following tidbits:

Bush is anti Abortion to the extent that he has stopped funding international groups in some of the World's poorest nations involved in abortion - resulting in the needless deaths of thousands of women.

Bush supports the death penalty to such an extent that as Governor of Texas he oversaw 152 executions. Most of any governor in recent history?

Bush has ****ed the economy with tax cuts worth billions giving the most to the wealthiest, turned Clinton's federal surplus into a record deficit of $521bn in just four years. He is also the first President for 70 years to see jobs lost...

Environment: According to the Sierra Club, Bush's environmental record is the worst of any president - ever! As well as rejecting the Kyoto treaty, failing to regulate CO2 emissions - he has actively opened up protected land wholesale to logging, oil drilling and mining! These include pissy little fields in pristine Utah desert wilderness whose total reserves would power the US for a day or two - but would blight the fragile ecosystem for centuries (National Geographic)

Foreign Policy: Don't make me laugh! How to single-handedly piss of the entire world apart from Israel - even countries such as the UK and Italy, the majority of the population is vehemently opposed Bush and his policies! President most hated by the rest of the world ever!

Gay Marriage: Bush is so anti gay he actually wants to amend the constitution to prevent them from getting married!

Women's Rights: Eighty-five heads of state and government have signed a statement endorsing a 10-year-old U.N. plan to ensure a woman's right to education, health care, and to choice about childbearing. President Bush's administration did not sign because the statement mentioned "sexual rights." Apparently the Bush Administration doesn't think that women should have sexual rights...

Gun Control: Well you can now legally get assault weapons again under his watch - also backed delaying background checks at gun shows.

BTW a US soldier just got kidnapped in Iraq. Poor bastard.

	02-11-2004 17:28									#257
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It's over! Bush has already taken New Hampshire 35-21. Nader got one vote.

Oh the humanity!

	02-11-2004 17:42									#258
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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS Foreign Policy: Don't make me laugh! How to single-handedly piss of the entire world apart from Israel - even countries such as the UK and Italy, the majority of the population is vehemently opposed Bush and his policies! President most hated by the rest of the world ever!

a poll quoted in Winds of Change.net


"A mixture of good and bad - but always interesting - news in the results of this latest opinion poll, in which the respondents were asked whether they have a positive or a negative view of the United States. The results:


Egypt: Positive: 2.8% Negative: 95.9%

Turkey: Positive: 17.5% Negative: 66%

Pakistan: Positive: 14.4% Negative: 65.1%

Iraq: Positive: 35.5% Negative: 60.5%

Saudi Arabia: Positive: 9.4% Negative: 56.5%

Bosnia: Positive: 49.2% Negative: 45.9%

Afghanistan: Positive: 65.9% Negative: 9.6%

Kosovo: Positive: 95.9% Negative: 1.8%"

	02-11-2004 17:44									#259
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quote: Originally posted by Atahualpa At which time (GMT) do polling stations close?

Control of the Senate might come down to Alaska, which'll close its booths sometime around 6:00 or 7:00 GMT.

	02-11-2004 17:45									#260
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France: Positive: 0.0% Negative: 100.0%

	02-11-2004 17:47									#261
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quote: Originally posted by Drachasor Ok, how are Canadian Soldiers mistreated by the alliance there? -Drachasor

They're not. Which is good, as I would hate to live in a world where drugged up American pilots can go around clusterbombing Canadian troop formations.

	02-11-2004 17:49									#262
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quote: Originally posted by DaShi It's over! Bush has already taken New Hampshire 35-21. Nader got one vote. Oh the humanity!

They publish results already????
Doesn't this influence voters in other states?

	02-11-2004 17:50									#263
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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS France: Positive: 0.0% Negative: 100.0%

Interesting article about France.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6386157/

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quote: Originally posted by Atahualpa They publish results already???? Doesn't this influence voters in other states?

Those aren't percents, they are numbers.

Some places in NH allow you to vote starting at midnight.

It isn't over by a long shot.

-Drachasor

	02-11-2004 19:05									#265
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Finished Voting just now.

I voted for at least one Democrat

	02-11-2004 19:11									#266
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quote: Originally posted by Starchild They're not. Which is good, as I would hate to live in a world where drugged up American pilots can go around clusterbombing Canadian troop formations.

They just as easily could've been American soldiers.

	02-11-2004 19:21									#267
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My vote is cast.

HUGE turnout at my polling place today -- in the 6am hour.
By far the biggest crowd I've seen in the 12 years I've been voting at this location.

As stupid as most of the campaign has been, it's great to see ppl getting off their butts and voting.

	02-11-2004 19:31									#268
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quote: Originally posted by -Jrabbit As stupid as most of the campaign has been, it's great to see ppl getting off their butts and voting.

Thats a big to that.

But I voted for Bush in a "Battleground" state. Kerry will most likely carry the state, but only 2 (or 3, maybe upwards of 5) counties. Dane County (Madison, State Capital and big college town of about 300,000) and Milwaukee County (Duh, Milwaukee is by far the largest city in the state at around an even million).

Dane = Liberial = Kerry

(I'm gunna get slammed for this one...)
Milwaukee = Poor = Kerry

	02-11-2004 19:45									#269
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I'm surprised that the majority of Afghanistan is actualyl positive about America, and that of the arabian countries Iraq is the most positive about america as well. (compared to Egypt, Turkeyand Pakistan)

quote: Egypt: Positive: 2.8% Negative: 95.9% Turkey: Positive: 17.5% Negative: 66% Pakistan: Positive: 14.4% Negative: 65.1% Iraq: Positive: 35.5% Negative: 60.5% Saudi Arabia: Positive: 9.4% Negative: 56.5% Bosnia: Positive: 49.2% Negative: 45.9% Afghanistan: Positive: 65.9% Negative: 9.6% Kosovo: Positive: 95.9% Negative: 1.8%"

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quote: Originally posted by CyberShy I'm surprised that the majority of Afghanistan is actualyl positive about America, and that of the arabian countries Iraq is the most positive about america as well. (compared to Egypt, Turkeyand Pakistan)

makes complete sense to me - you make friends more by promoting democracy, than by supporting dictators (turkey, which was already a democracy more or less before 9/11, is rather a different story) In afghanistan weve done a better job than Iraq. Afghanistan has had a successful election, and folks there are clearly better off than before we went in. Iraq is still in bad shape (whoever you care to blame), and alot of folks there are quite unhappy things havent gotten better.