03-11-2004 21:01									#301
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Damn, you leave this place for a few weeks and, when you come back, all the liberal excuses for failure have changed. This place is just to high-speed for me...

Don't worry, they cycle around eventually. Kinda like bell bottoms..........

	03-11-2004 21:02									#303
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin A more likely explination was that since Republicans campaigned much harder this time he was able to get out his base more effectively.

They commented on Fox last night (when it looked like the exit polls were complete ****) that the numbers of voters in the panhandle/I59-corridor were dramatically higher compared to 2000 and that the percentage repubs was much higher than expected. That may have been because the repubs campaigned harder in Florida, but so too did the dems. I think that this Florida vote (especially in the panhandle where the polls close later) was a backlash against the media actions in 2000.

	03-11-2004 21:03									#304
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quote: That was last week, Drake! It's now this week - keep up!

I just said that I was wrong regarding party ID. Dunno what your point was.

	03-11-2004 21:04									#305
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Chris Matthews said this morning that the Dems strategy may be wrong. He said that they now concede the South and the West (not the Left Coast) for starters, and compete in the North, Midwest and the Left Coast. This strategy has produced two consecutive electoral college defeats.

	03-11-2004 21:05									#306
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quote: You'd figure a reference to the Whigs would be enough to mark a post as facetious...

I still got two serious responses to it .

	03-11-2004 21:06									#307
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quote: Damn, you leave this place for a few weeks and, when you come back, all the liberal excuses for failure have changed. This place is just to high-speed for me...

I never said that Kerry ran a good campaign, in fact I've been saying that it was pretty damn incompetent up till mid-September or so. I was simply stating the reasons for the dissonance between common wisdom of the pollsters and the results.

	03-11-2004 21:06									#308
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: You'd figure a reference to the Whigs would be enough to mark a post as facetious... I still got two serious responses to it .

It's good to see something go right for you...

	03-11-2004 21:06									#309
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo There's gonna be some vicious infighting in the Democratic Party, though. No question about it. And it's needed, IMO.

And which way do you predict it to go? A shift to the left or back to the right? Personally, I think if the dems are smart they'll forget about Hilary in 08 and look for a centrist who will have a chance to take a few southern states. It'll be too soon for Obama, otherwise I'd say he's a shoe-in for the nomination.

	03-11-2004 21:06									#310
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AP reports that Kerry just called Bush to concede election!

	03-11-2004 21:07									#311
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I just heard on the news, that kerry may have just conceded.

	03-11-2004 21:07									#312
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Kerry's rumoured to make an appearance soon.

	03-11-2004 21:08									#313
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo I was simply stating the reasons for the dissonance between common wisdom of the pollsters and the results.

What common wisdom? I stopped paying serious attention to the polls weeks ago exactly because there was no common wisdom...

	03-11-2004 21:08									#314
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Interestingly, with 4% of the votes still left to be cast, Bush Jr. smashes the total vote record held by none other than the Reagan in 84. Gore did not have the plurality record, and neither did Kerry in this election, manage to match Reagan.

57 million for Bush Jr.
51 million for Gore
47 million for Clinton
44 million for Clinton
48 million for Bush Sr.
54 million for Reagan
43 million for Reagan

	03-11-2004 21:09									#315
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quote: Originally posted by alva Another great day for religion

In a way. It seems that the Dem party is too far out in front of the bulk of the nation on social values.

	03-11-2004 21:09									#316
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb Yeah but look what happens when you average that with his reelection percentage..........

The same thing that happens to Bush the younger?

	03-11-2004 21:09									#317
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hey, US population has increased since the 80s, it only makes sense for their to be more votes.

	03-11-2004 21:10									#318
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quote: And which way do you predict it to go? A shift to the left or back to the right? Personally, I think if the dems are smart they'll forget about Hilary in 08 and look for a centrist who will have a chance to take a few southern states. It'll be too soon for Obama, otherwise I'd say he's a shoe-in for the nomination.

Actually, Hillary is more right-wing than Obama. Dunno if he'd have the experience though (he wouldn't even have a full Senate term), but he'd definitely be a candidate in 8 or 12 years. And I don't think he'd bail on his constituents. I'm hoping for Feingold, personally.

The DNC will be seriously be assaulted by the grass roots, though. McAuliffe will get the **** beaten out of him.

	03-11-2004 21:10									#319
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yep, it looks like Kerry will concede.

	03-11-2004 21:13									#320
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KERRY HAS ALREADY CONCEEDED.

That's all folks.

	03-11-2004 21:13									#321
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quote: What common wisdom? I stopped paying serious attention to the polls weeks ago exactly because there was no common wisdom...

Everything pointed to a Kerry victory, in theory. Incumbent rule, voter turnout, etc. etc. It all turned out to be wrong.

	03-11-2004 21:14									#322
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I am glad that Kerry conceeded. IT would have made for a uguly result if he tried to fight now with him losing the popular vote.

	03-11-2004 21:14									#323
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FOXNews.com reporting Kerry calling Bush to concede.

	03-11-2004 21:14									#324
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Well, even given the increase in population, Clinton never managed to gain more votes than Nixon's previous record in 72, let alone Ronald Reagan.

Another interesting thing to note, is that Democrats have not held this record since LBJ in 64. None of the Democrat wins represented highwater marks of the popular vote.

So what is this myth that higher turnout benefits Democrats?

	03-11-2004 21:15									#325
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Kerry's consession was just a bit late for my tastes.

Let's hope he says something to his followers that brings them back to reality.

	03-11-2004 21:16									#326
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Hey, Ben, have you checked our your "wager" thread?

	03-11-2004 21:16									#327
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A bit late? When was he supposed to concede, before the election?

	03-11-2004 21:17									#328
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quote: Well, even given the increase in population, Clinton never managed to gain more votes than Nixon's previous record in 72, let alone Ronald Reagan.

Well, you did have 3 people running, didn't you.

	03-11-2004 21:17									#329
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Thaaaaaat's All Folks.

	03-11-2004 21:17									#330
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They thought that a higher turnout by young voters and minorities would give the Democratics the lead that they needed. Also many say Republicans already have a high turn out, and the Democratics got a lot of new voters to register.