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Aug 2001
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Originally posted by alva
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Kerry is a failure... he couldn't even beat Dubya the moron.
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Says more about the US than about Kerry IMO.
In just ANY other country in the world he would would have won. |
Actually, I think it says far more about Kerry and the Democrats in general. It's not like there was any mystery what Bush was about and how his campaign was going to be run. There were no surprises - the Democrats should have seen everything from a mile away and made appropriate plans in advance (including, IMO, picking a different candidate).
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MalevolentLight
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High Above
Jul 1999
time: 00:19
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Reconcilliation? I don't think so. At least not for a week or so while I gloat continuously. The largest coalition of liberal forces set out to undermine the election and destroy our president and they not only lost, they got trounced. We gained seats in the senate and the house and won the presidency by the largest vote ever. We rule.
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MalevolentLight
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High Above
Jul 1999
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I'm not a liberal, asshat. I just have enough intelligence to realize that Bush is an incompetent pea brain. |
Yep you proved me wrong with that one. Wait a minute here, you're calling Bush a moron and saying you have more intelligence in the same breath? Remind me again why I thought you were a liberal?
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JimmyCracksCorn
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Macedonia - Sovereign country north of Greece.
Dec 2002
time: 05:19
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Originally posted by MalevolentLight
Yep you proved me wrong with that one. Wait a minute here, you're calling Bush a moron and saying you have more intelligence in the same breath? Remind me again why I thought you were a liberal? |
I'll remind you what I actually said first. I said: I'm not a liberal, and I didn't vote for Bush because he's stupid. The whole northeast sort of felt the same way.
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JimmyCracksCorn
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Macedonia - Sovereign country north of Greece.
Dec 2002
time: 05:19
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Originally posted by GhengisFarb
Hey, I kinda think Bush is a moron too.
I voted for him and all but I don't think he's any Einstein. |
Please explain why you voted for someone you admit is a moron?
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Admiral
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of the peace and coexistance movement
Feb 2001
time: 00:19
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A couple of points:
First, the draft was a democratic issue, when it was the democrats pushing for war (Vietnam). Right now, Bush is way more likely to invade other countries than a democratic administration, and given that right now, our military is starting to be stretched thin, the only way to ensure that we actually win those conflicts is to impose a draft. Given a choice between losing a war, and imposing a draft, I must hope for the draft, as the lesser of evils, but the point is that the draft must become a republican position.
Second, the republicans won by seizing control of the moral tenor of the country. If they get all ML-y, and gloat for the next month, people may rethink. Then again, maybe I'm being optimistic. God knows I want to be.
Finally, you now control the presidency, have a nice majority in both the house and the senate, and control the majority of governorships. If you do not make the country better, you have only yourself to blame. Proof yourself, and if it works, if real blows are struct against terrorism and it becomes a less effective tool, if the dreaded assault on civil liberties does not come, and if the new tax plan lessens the plights of poverty, than I will become converted, and join the Republican party.
Good luck
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Austin, Texas, USA
Oct 1999
time: 23:19
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Hillary may be more centrist issue by issue than Obama (im not sure really) |
It might depend on what you consider centrism, but I'd say that Obama's the heir to Wellstone.
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but I fear a whole range of past associations make it hard for her to appeal to cultural conservatives in the red states. I think Obama may have more potential. |
I absolutely agree, lotm. Obama's real gift is the ability to articulate left-wing values honestly and elegantly, and most importnatly without sounding like a total douchebag, in contrast to John "everything is God's gift" Kerry, and in this way reframe the political debate. He's really comparable to Reagan in that way.
Hillary also has a lot of baggage among the left for her hawkishness. And the left will not sell out for supposed "electability" this time (not that she's electable). She'd be defeated in the primaries, and she'd lose in the general if she made it out.
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Personally I like Ed Rendell (who has the advantage of being a governor, not a Senator), but I think no Jew (other than maybe a left wing one) is viable while the WOT is underway, which it may well be in 2008. |
Why do you say that? 
I take it Rendell is fairly centrist, though?
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IF the WOT is still a big factor in 2008, Bob Graham may be the best shot - has been a governor, from Florida, and matches the "dem must be a southerner" criteria, even if little appeal in most southern states. |
That would be interesting, but Graham isn't the most charismatic guy around... And he did pretty anemically in the primaries.
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MalevolentLight
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High Above
Jul 1999
time: 00:19
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Well apparently that moron has a higher IQ than Kerry and scored higher on the military aptitude tests.
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JimmyCracksCorn
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Macedonia - Sovereign country north of Greece.
Dec 2002
time: 05:19
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It still doesn't make any sense. If you check out Ohio's voting stats, Bush was only ahead by 115k votes. Kerry had a slim chance but a chance nonetheless, why did he give up?
Maybe it actually isn't over, and Kerry's concession is just until further results are dug up???
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