03-11-2004 21:51									#391
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What happens, theoretically, if Kerry wins the 270 votes in Electoral College, even though he has conceded? If he would still be declared the winner, then what's the point of conceding?

Actually... is that conceding just a simple action, or official and expected by the law?

	03-11-2004 21:52									#392
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quote: Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn It still doesn't make any sense. If you check out Ohio's voting stats, Bush was only ahead by 115k votes. Kerry had a slim chance but a chance nonetheless, why did he give up? Maybe it actually isn't over, and Kerry's concession is just until further results are dug up???

I know your favorite song, "I LIKE DREAMING". It is not going to happen.

	03-11-2004 21:52									#393
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quote: Originally posted by MalevolentLight Well apparently that moron has a higher IQ than Kerry and scored higher on the military aptitude tests.

Yeah, the only problem is one is obviously a moron and the other isn't. Smart people generally don't horribly botch wars and ruin the economy and reputation of the worlds most powerful nation.

Funny how that works.

	03-11-2004 21:52									#394
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Naw, its over. This concession won't be retracted.

	03-11-2004 21:53									#395
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quote: Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn Please explain why you voted for someone you admit is a moron?

I'd rather vote for a moron with integrity than a two faced hypocrite out to liberalize America and force us all onto government welfare programs while his cabinet slowly purges Christianity from our history.

And finally they don't need a draft, all they have to do to get more soldiers is increase the sign up bonus. They'll get all the troops they want that way.

	03-11-2004 21:53									#396
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quote: Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn Yeah, the only problem is one is obviously a moron and the other isn't. Smart people generally don't horribly botch wars and ruin the economy and reputation of the worlds most powerful nation. Funny how that works.

Mostly your opinion, 58 million people thought otherwise.

	03-11-2004 21:53									#397
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quote: Originally posted by Sava Kerry is a failure... he couldn't even beat Dubya the moron.

Kerry? Or, the Democratic Party? The Dems have serious cultural issues to contend with. As I've said before, Howard Dean was the only Democratic candidate who knew this, as evidenced when he made the comment about southern white males flying Dixie should realize the Democratic Party represents them best. But, in response, the NAACP and other pasty white candidates (Kerry et al) slammed him.

I like Dean. He's genuine and direct.

	03-11-2004 21:53									#398
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quote: Originally posted by Defiant I know your favorite song, "I LIKE DREAMING". It is not going to happen.

But can it? I would think that it would... you never know, Kerry's speech at 1pm could be conditional.

Look at these stats:

http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/results/11-02-04.htm

very very close...

	03-11-2004 21:54									#399
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quote: Finally, you now control the presidency, have a nice majority in both the house and the senate, and control the majority of governorships. If you do not make the country better, you have only yourself to blame. Proof yourself, and if it works, if real blows are struct against terrorism and it becomes a less effective tool, if the dreaded assault on civil liberties does not come, and if the new tax plan lessens the plights of poverty, than I will become converted, and join the Republican party.

I think republicans realize this and see the opportunity to deliver a knock out punch to Democrats. If we have 4 years of unequaled prosperity I think the Republican hold on the government is only going to grow. I can't wait to see what the next 4 years have in store. I think 2008 is pretty much in the Republican's pockets if Giulliani runs against Hillary. The future is looking very bright.

	03-11-2004 21:54									#400
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Didn't Clinton have the popular majority when re-elected?

NO, he was a plurality win both times. (so was Carter his one time, the democ-rat pres to get a majority was Johnson in 1964)

	03-11-2004 21:55									#401
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Anyone know where I can send Osama Bin Laden some money?

	03-11-2004 21:56									#402
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quote: Originally posted by Defiant We have just learned that Kerry concedes to Bush. A great line in a Queen song, "WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS"

Of what? In four years, a lot less.

	03-11-2004 21:56									#403
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin If the Republicans are smart in 2008 they'll get a black, hispanic, or a woman to run in the VP spot. That would make serious in roads into a few of the major bases of democratic voters. Democrates need to get a centrist southerner hopefully with a running mate from the southern midwest or Florida. Also the Dems need to avoid hot button issues like gay marriage which turn off the poor white trash & hispanic voters and instead concentrate on going after the Republican base of business owners, investors, religious people, and the like.

One of the reasons that the vote for Bush increased so much in Florida was due to the hispanic voters (who now have a hispanic senator).

The people of 11 states (including Washington state) voted overwhelmingly last night to define marriage as only that between a man and woman. So long as a certain group of people continue to see these types of issues as only important to 'poor white trash' the dems will not win.

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quote: Originally posted by dojoboy Kerry? Or, the Democratic Party? The Dems have serious cultural issues to contend with. As I've said before, Howard Dean was the only Democratic candidate who knew this, as evidenced when he made the comment about southern white males flying Dixie should realize the Democratic Party represents them best. But, in response, the NAACP and other pasty white candidates (Kerry et al) slammed him. I like Dean. He's genuine and direct.

Agreed. I think Dean might have won.

	03-11-2004 21:57									#405
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quote: Yeah, the only problem is one is obviously a moron and the other isn't. Smart people generally don't horribly botch wars and ruin the economy and reputation of the worlds most powerful nation. Funny how that works.

Yep, it's funny how you keep on using the same lines over and over. It's really funny how you just completely ignored the fact that Bush scored higher than Kerry and simply said that "it's obvious he's a moron". Again, you wonder why you people lose so badly all the time?

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I think Dean was vindicated by this whole process. Kerry should've been going after Dear Leader on Iraq the entire time, not just a month and a half before the election. Comeback Kerry, I **** on you.

	03-11-2004 21:59									#407
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quote: Originally posted by OzzyKP Agreed. I think Dean might have won.

I liked him, but I have to disagree. I think he was 'before his time'.

The Dems do definitely need someone with much more charisma than Kerry.

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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Hmm, you're the third person to mention flying over so I can only guess Rush Limbaugh said something about liberals and flying this morning.

It was that noted conservative republican Chris Matthews commenting on why the dems lost.

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quote: Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola No, nothing does that until the electorial colledge meets.

True, but unless there are like 10 faithless electors then this seals it. It means no legal challenges.

	03-11-2004 22:02									#410
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quote: Originally posted by dejon I liked him, but I have to disagree. I think he was 'before his time'. The Dems do definitely need someone with much more charisma than Kerry.

Yea,
They sure as hell do, too damn bad Zel Miller is on the good side.

	03-11-2004 22:02									#411
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quote: Originally posted by OzzyKP Well that's what everyone was saying during the coverage today. I've yet to see the final figures though, but hopefully youth turned out in large numbers. However if they didn't, then it would be even better for me, because I could use that as a hook to get funding for my group and propose lowering the voting age as the solution to get out the vote oriented foundations. That'd actually be much better.

Apparently the turnout was virtually the same as in 2000.

	03-11-2004 22:02									#412
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quote: Originally posted by Defiant Yea, They sure as hell do, too damn bad Zel Miller is on the good side.

He's still a Democrat, and one a lot of us Republicans would vote for.

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quote: Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn Yeah, the only problem is one is obviously a moron and the other isn't. Smart people generally don't horribly botch wars and ruin the economy and reputation of the worlds most powerful nation.

George Will:

quote: The unemployment rate (5.4 percent) is what it was when President Clinton coasted to re-election in 1996. And the economy's growth rate over the last four quarters (4.9 percent) is higher than the rate over the year before the 1996 election (4.0 percent). Kerry's excoriation of Bush over budget deficits is blunted by the fact that while the government was running deficits in 47 of the last 55 years, the GDP has almost sextupled and 79 million jobs have been created.

Re: Reputation

A good number of Americans are unimpressed with the world's acrimonious position on America. Germany and Japan know firsthand we are not imperialists.

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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb He's still a Democrat, and one a lot of us Republicans would vote for.

Correction, he is a Dixiecrat, or in English, actually a Republican.

	03-11-2004 22:05									#415
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quote: I'd rather vote for a moron with integrity than a two faced hypocrite out to liberalize America and force us all onto government welfare programs while his cabinet slowly purges Christianity from our history.

GF - You actually BELIEVE this drivel?

This is a perfect illustration of why Bush won, by the way, folks. The Republicans have convinced a huge segment of the country that the Democrats (or, to be more nuanced, any Yankee Democrat) are going to turn us socialist and ban Christianity. They believe it, and they identify with Bush, and so they vote for him. His general idiocy and manifest incompetance is meaningless to them (or even endearing).

****. ****.

-Arrian

	03-11-2004 22:05									#416
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quote: Originally posted by OzzyKP Well that's what everyone was saying during the coverage today. I've yet to see the final figures though, but hopefully youth turned out in large numbers. However if they didn't, then it would be even better for me, because I could use that as a hook to get funding for my group and propose lowering the voting age as the solution to get out the vote oriented foundations. That'd actually be much better.

The did come out in record numbers, however, percentage wise nothing changed with the previous election, namely 17%.

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quote: Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn It still doesn't make any sense. If you check out Ohio's voting stats, Bush was only ahead by 115k votes. Kerry had a slim chance but a chance nonetheless, why did he give up? Maybe it actually isn't over, and Kerry's concession is just until further results are dug up???

It was more like 130K votes and while the number of ballots still to be read is quite high it would require that Kerry take >90 % of them. Since those ballots wont be read for 10 days (by law) the country would be put on hold for what is a very slim chance.

	03-11-2004 22:07									#418
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian GF - You actually BELIEVE this drivel? This is a perfect illustration of why Bush won, by the way, folks. The Republicans have convinced a huge segment of the country that the Democrats (or, to be more nuanced, any Yankee Democrat) are going to turn us socialist and ban Christianity. They believe it, and they identify with Bush, and so they vote for him. His general idiocy and manifest incompetance is meaningless to them (or even endearing). ****. ****. -Arrian

I don't think Kerry is all behind that, but his party's active members are and they would have filled his cabinet. There was absolutely no way I wanted that cabinet in power. I voted more for the cabinet than for the President because they are going to have more influence on what happens than the President will.


However, Kerry IS a complete fake. He firmly believed and fought for the opposite side of issues than I side with.

I don't for one second buy his complete 180 degree turn around in the last few months. You don't change your core beliefs like that and I was extremely insulted that he tried to feed us that line.

	03-11-2004 22:09									#419
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For the pollster watchers out there, this election was called on the dot by Andrew Kohut of the Pew Center for the People and the Press.

http://people-press.org/reports/dis...p3?ReportID=232

	03-11-2004 22:09									#420
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6363692/