03-11-2004 22:10									#421
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi 57 million for Bush Jr. 51 million for Gore 47 million for Clinton 44 million for Clinton 48 million for Bush Sr. 54 million for Reagan 43 million for Reagan

To compare apples to apples you have to compare percentages and not total numbers of votes as the population changes over time.

Clinton set the record for most votes during both of his races but he never got more a majority. Percentages are what counts.

	03-11-2004 22:10									#422
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I am always quite surprised by the way the country splits. The red states stay red, the blue states stay blue with only 7-8 states switching sides.

Would i be correct in assuming that a lot of the blue states (New England, California, New York) pay more money into the federal kitty than they get out of it? And that a significant number of the red states take more out than they put in?

Maybe they should start thinking about secession...

	03-11-2004 22:12									#423
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Yes, that's correct.

	03-11-2004 22:12									#424
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quote: Originally posted by DanS For the pollster watchers out there, this election was called on the dot by Andrew Kohut of the Pew Center for the People and the Press. http://people-press.org/reports/dis...p3?ReportID=232

I wonder if that was the guy who was on fox this morning and lambasted the exit-pollers and their incompetence.

	03-11-2004 22:12									#425
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Yes, they do, lightblue. On the other hand, the red states provide a much higher proportion of soldiers than do the blue states, for instance.

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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH Apparently the turnout was virtually the same as in 2000.

Not exactly. The youth vote was the highest in a long time but every sector had a higher turn out so the percentage of the vote which was youth was virtually unchanged. In absolute terms it was a blow out year for the youth vote but their participation rate was still the lowest of any group.

	03-11-2004 22:13									#427
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quote: I wonder if that was the guy who was on fox this morning and lambasted the exit-pollers and their incompetence.

I can't see Andrew Kohut blasting anybody. I've never so much as heard him raise his voice in emphasis.

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The number of applications to the Socialist Party has jumped in the last 24 hours. As I said before, this election was a win-win situation for us. Either we get rid of Bush or Bush makes a lot more socialists.

	03-11-2004 22:14									#429
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian GF - You actually BELIEVE this drivel? This is a perfect illustration of why Bush won, by the way, folks. The Republicans have convinced a huge segment of the country that the Democrats (or, to be more nuanced, any Yankee Democrat) are going to turn us socialist and ban Christianity. They believe it, and they identify with Bush, and so they vote for him. His general idiocy and manifest incompetance is meaningless to them (or even endearing).

Too true.

Not that it would be a bad thing.

Sadly, it will take a few more generations before secularism and science overtake those still burdened by faith in super-natural beings.

	03-11-2004 22:15									#430
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quote: Originally posted by DanS Yes, they do, lightblue. On the other hand, the red states provide a much higher proportion of soldiers than do the blue states, for instance.

Yeah, they could seceed but the Republicans would just pick up their guns and annex them into submission like the last time they seceeded.

	03-11-2004 22:16									#431
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quote: Originally posted by Solver What happens, theoretically, if Kerry wins the 270 votes in Electoral College, even though he has conceded? If he would still be declared the winner, then what's the point of conceding? Actually... is that conceding just a simple action, or official and expected by the law?

It's a costumary sign of good sportsmanship not a legally required act.

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quote: Yeah, they could seceed but the Republicans would just pick up their guns and annex them into submission like the last time they seceeded.

Maybe Europe could intervein then

	03-11-2004 22:16									#433
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara The number of applications to the Socialist Party has jumped in the last 24 hours. As I said before, this election was a win-win situation for us. Either we get rid of Bush or Bush makes a lot more socialists.

Bush didn't make more socialists, that's the Democrats jumping from their sinking ship.

	03-11-2004 22:18									#434
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I'm an atheist and I voted for Bush so I don't want to hear any of your secular bullshit. And lets take note of how all the liberals on here are still swearing up and down that Bush's an idiot, and he's incompetent, and that the rest of the country must be idiots too. And yet here they are still trying to figure out why anyone would vote for Bush. Who is the ignoramous I ask?

	03-11-2004 22:19									#435
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quote: anyone would vote for Bush. Who is the ignorant I ask?

Why not, I've got the same problem as to why people watch programs like Big Brother and all.

	03-11-2004 22:20									#436
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The people who voted for Bush, by and large. There was poll data that proved it, ML. A majority of Bush voters didn't know his positions on the issues.

That works just fine for Bush, of course.

-Arrian

p.s. You being an atheist and voting for Bush doesn't change the fact that much of his support came from the more religious portion of our society.

	03-11-2004 22:21									#437
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quote: Yeah, they could seceed but the Republicans would just pick up their guns and annex them into submission like the last time they seceeded.

Aren't the people putting down the rebellion the ones who actually seceeded the last time .

	03-11-2004 22:21									#438
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb Bush didn't make more socialists, that's the Democrats jumping from their sinking ship.

The sinking ship being America, not the Democratic party.

	03-11-2004 22:21									#439
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quote: Originally posted by MalevolentLight I'm an atheist and I voted for Bush

I forgive you. Everyone makes mistakes.

	03-11-2004 22:21									#440
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Seriously, Bush isn't a know it all, no one is. That's why the President has a Cabinet and Secretary of State, to keep him advised on issues. To me, the potential Cabinet is just as important as the President. I have continually said I don't agree with everything Bush has done, but the only thing Kerry said that I supported was his proposal about increasing the number of active duty combat Brigades and the number of Active Duty Special Forces.

And that was a very Anti-Kerry policy he spouted so I didn't have much faith that he would actually do it.

	03-11-2004 22:21									#441
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Apparently you people aren't catching my point. You aren't going to win by calling people stupid. But then again, I should be encouraging this kind of rhetoric since it helps our cause.

	03-11-2004 22:22									#442
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo A bit late? When was he supposed to concede, before the election?

Ramo, that he even considered challenging a 150,000 vote lead in Ohio is a bit much.

	03-11-2004 22:22									#443
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quote: Originally posted by MalevolentLight You aren't going to win by calling people stupid.

We're not trying to win. The election's over.

	03-11-2004 22:23									#444
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Someone on a message board calling a politician stupid helps your cause? I doubt a majority of the American people are reading Poly .

	03-11-2004 22:23									#445
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker The sinking ship being America, not the Democratic party.

They can go to Canada, that's even better.

quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker We're not trying to win.

Well, duh. We figured out that yesterday.

	03-11-2004 22:23									#446
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Do I need to drag up the hordes of threads titled "BUSH IS TEH SUXOR HE IS DUMB DOWN WIT BUSH".

	03-11-2004 22:24									#447
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Please, are you trying to say that liberals haven't touted Bush as some kind of idiot? It's was the biggest part of their campaign. Obviously it failed.

	03-11-2004 22:25									#448
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui I doubt a majority of the American people are reading Poly .

But that message was probably repeated a trillion times on forums across America... It was the Demo mantra... Bush is stupid

It might have helped if the Dems had put up somebody who was smarter

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quote: Originally posted by DanS Yes, they do, lightblue. On the other hand, the red states provide a much higher proportion of soldiers than do the blue states, for instance.

Well soldiers without money doesn't work too well (look at post-USSR Russia).

The secession idea isn't serious obviously, i was jsut wondering what would happen. I doubt the red states would attack the blue states, but i guess that would at least get them out of our hair for a few years

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