04-11-2004 17:57									#181
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Who's using a crystal ball? F*cking up the country is what the Republicans do.

	04-11-2004 18:00									#182
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quote: Originally posted by DRoseDARs F*cking up the country is what the Republicans do.

And that's why people vote so overwhelmingly for them to replace Democrats in the House, the Senate and the White House.

It all makes sense now.

	04-11-2004 18:03									#183
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Everyone here is breaking out in hives. Kerry is taking this way better than most of ya'll

	04-11-2004 18:08									#184
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quote: Originally posted by Winston And that's why people vote so overwhelmingly for them to replace Democrats in the House, the Senate and the White House. It all makes sense now.

51% = overwhelmingly now?

	04-11-2004 18:10									#185
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Hasn't happened since 1988...

	04-11-2004 19:41									#186
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quote: Originally posted by DRoseDARs In the US, at least, red=conservative blue=liberal to most people, though some associate the colors as you do. You'll just have to remember that when looking at US political maps. *Shrugs shoulders*

Up until the mid 90's red was the color for the Democrats and Blue was the color for the Republicans. All the Democrats wore red ribbons on election day to show their allegience to their Party.

I have no idea why they switched colors.

	04-11-2004 20:37									#187
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red is an evil color and the demorcrats are the good guys, not the bad guys.

	04-11-2004 21:07									#188
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I liked that picture so much I made it my avatar . blue is kind of hard to see when it's that small.

It just shows how united America was behind Bush.

	04-11-2004 21:12									#189
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has anyone posted this picture yet? It's from michaelmoore.com

	04-11-2004 21:23									#190
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident It just shows how united America was behind Bush.

They aren't, really. It seems that voter turnout in New York and California was depressed. According to some conservative talking head I heard on NPR this morning, had they voted normally, Kerry would have matched Bush's popular vote. Stupid EC.

	04-11-2004 21:26									#191
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin The only communist state in the Arab world was North Yemen and that country continues to be filled with raving muslim fundimentalists. The communists government didn't do very well in Afghanistan either.

There was a civil war in Afganistan, funded and fomented by the US. Don't blame us for not doing well when you guys set the place on fire.

	04-11-2004 21:29									#192
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I remember reading an earlier quote by Karl Rove that people only come out to vote because of hatred. (I don't have the exact quote, but it's always been part of his tactics anyway). It appears that is exactly what's happened. The majority have voted out of fear and hatred more then anything else. The votes for Terrorism were about fear and the ones about moral values were really about hatred. How else can you explain how someone of such incompetence who has nothing positive to contribute to the US be re-elected?

Anyway, everything that Bush has owned has been run into the ground. The US government is no exception. Will just have to wait and see how bad things get in 4 years.

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	04-11-2004 21:33									#193
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why is it that they still haven't called iowa?!?!

	04-11-2004 21:35									#194
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I love how all the Kerry lovers like to wax poetic.

"Oh the tragedy!"

"Oh the horror!"

"I hate America, our guy lost!"

"Sniffle, sniffle..."

I won't have to see any Greek tragedies for awhile guys! Thanks!

	04-11-2004 21:38									#195
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quote: Originally posted by Kaak why is it that they still haven't called iowa?!?!

how screwed up is that state?

call Mr. Fun. We want answers.

I live in one of the most sparcely populated states with hundreds of miles seperating polling stations. And we were done counting votes the first night.

	04-11-2004 21:40									#196
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quote: Originally posted by Thucydides How else can you explain how someone of such incompetence who has nothing positive to contribute to the US be re-elected?

It's easy. Because the competition was perceived as worse. What's so hard to understand about that?
It's the ultimate insult to Kerry.
Instead of making fun of REPUBS for being stupid, you should be making fun of Democrats that thought Kerry was presidential material and voted him to be their candidate.
I would have voted for the Democrat if it had been even a decent candidate. But Kerry, I wouldn't trust him to set policy for walking my dog. And that's why he lost. Too many repubs that didn't really want to vote for bush felt the same way. So the Democrats have to carry the burden also.

	04-11-2004 21:42									#197
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quote: Originally posted by Kaak why is it that they still haven't called iowa?!?!

Like my state matters at this point??

	04-11-2004 21:46									#198
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quote: Bush had worse platforms on all policy issues except the Conservative Christian ones.

That's an awfully large but.

Swings many voters his way.

	04-11-2004 21:46									#199
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quote: Originally posted by Thucydides Anyway, everything that Bush has owned has been run into the ground.

Quite right, and the small solace I have right now is that, unlike Arbusto/Harken/Texas/Etc. the buck really stops with him this time.

The country has survived worse, and it will be only a matter of time before the majority will wake up one day, and realize they voted for the most power-grubbing, secretive administration in the nation's history, who make the Nixon cabal look like choirboys.

When their sons are sent off to fight and die in another pointless war, and their civil liberties and constitutional rights are eroded into pulp, they'll snap back to reality and question if it was really about "values" after all.

	04-11-2004 21:49									#200
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quote: It seems that voter turnout in New York and California was depressed. According to some conservative talking head I heard on NPR this morning, had they voted normally, Kerry would have matched Bush's popular vote. Stupid EC.

Sounds like sour grapes to me.

Any evidence that the turnout in these areas was actually depressed, or maybe, Bush actually did better than you thought he did?

He did better in Cali and in New York than many people thought.

	04-11-2004 21:50									#201
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quote: Quite right

Eh, the Rangers haven't done too badly.

	04-11-2004 21:51									#202
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well, the realclearpolitics site was right on the money (with the exception of wisconsin)

http://realclearpolitics.com/Presid...ount_Final.html

	04-11-2004 21:54									#203
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quote: Eh, the Rangers haven't done too badly.

They were bought by Tom Hicks (a gazillionare) who spend recklessly (A-Rod) and has only now figured out that was a mistake. He's hired a good GM (Hart, right?), Manager (Showalter) and pitching coach. That and I think they got a little lucky last year.

That being said, the Rangers haven't really done anything, despite spending quite a bit of money (up until this year, anyway).

When Bush owned them... I honestly don't recall, since I wasn't a baseball fan then. But AFAIK, they did diddly squat.

-Arrian

	04-11-2004 21:57									#204
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I love BK's new avatar due to the bet arrangement.

	04-11-2004 22:13									#205
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quote: Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola Raising general taxes is not on the table for me, not do the enttitlments seem to be for the Goverment (I could hope, but not expect they could chop some) about all that could go is some of the expesive and ineffectuall homeland defense, and better prioritizing of the war on terror. That is why i said some increase in finacial displine. Most cutting of the defict under such cnostrainst will have to come from increase in the tax base by economic growth, and allowing some specific target tax cuts to expire as their stated ourpose becomes oviated.

Fair enough. There are a few things we can do to control spending growth in the mean time. In 1989 through about 1996 there was a bipartisan budget agreement which said any new spending would only be allowed when an equal amount had been cut from the budget. In other world other then the rate of inflation something had to be cut before anything new could be added. We need such an agreement again today.

I doubt Bush will do that though. He just finished a press confrence where he said "tax relief" and "social security reform" where the two big things he was going to push in the next term. If we pilling on still more tax cuts at a time when we have the largest deficit in history what do you think will happen to the deficit?

	04-11-2004 22:14									#206
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Eh, the Rangers haven't done too badly.

Your new avatar isn't doing to badly either. It seems to be popular.

	04-11-2004 22:33									#207
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I say he keeps it.

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quote: I love BK's new avatar due to the bet arrangement.

Did you see the first one?

	04-11-2004 22:34									#209
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Heh, Democratic Underground really is bringing out it's best side:

Here

and in here.

	04-11-2004 22:34									#210
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quote: I say he keeps it.

Not with Denise's b-day coming up.

The 18th will be mine.