05-11-2004 01:55									#241
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Wow, that's impressive. Bush swept Oklahoma, Nebraska, Utah, and Alaska! It's been some time since that's been done. Not since Reagan.

Wow, he swept 3 small, poor states and a frozen wasteland! What an accomplishement

	05-11-2004 01:57									#242
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quote: Originally posted by Flinx What is a county map supposed to show? Over 200,000 more people voted for John Kerry in Los Angeles County than voted for all candidates combined in Montana, Wyoming, North and South Dakota

Its supposed to show how the dems only have support in those rich, urban, civlized areas, while repug dominate among the hick vote.

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The fact is that the USofA is a very religious country. It's one of the main reasons I might want to leave. If New England starts going the way the rest of the country has... I'm outta here. Ya'll can have your fundamentalist shithole.

-Arrian

	05-11-2004 01:57									#244
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quote: And it does not mean politics must give a **** about faith, or make any decisions based on it whatsoever- you seem to have some mental block with this simple concept.

No, that's not what it's there for. Politicians who are religious ought to make decisions based on their religious principles, just like atheists do for theirs.

Why should the two be treated differently?

	05-11-2004 01:59									#245
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quote: Wow, he swept 3 small, poor states and a frozen wasteland! What an accomplishement

Juneau, that's nothing to sneeze at.

	05-11-2004 02:00									#246
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quote: Originally posted by Harry Tuttle Faith based, not faith devoid! Jeez...

Which gets to the crux of the matter. Bush for all his support from religous fundamentalists has not advanced the idea in any substantial way of theocracy. Instead the suppostion is he uses his religion as a means to give him guidance and steadfastness in his decision making. A trait very sorely lacking in Kerry as his guide apparently throughout his career was political expedience.

As echoed here many times Bush for all his failings is a known quantity whilst Kerry is/was known for ....... umm... doing whatever advanced Kerry.

	05-11-2004 02:02									#247
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Juneau that's nothing to sneeze at.

	05-11-2004 02:02									#248
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Its supposed to show how the dems only have support in those rich, urban, civlized areas, while repug dominate among the hick vote.

One does have to question why only the rich areas prefer the party of the common guy?

	05-11-2004 02:03									#249
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi No, that's not what it's there for. Politicians who are religious ought to make decisions based on their religious principles, just like atheists do for theirs. Why should the two be treated differently?

They are not treated differently, so what are you talking about?

	05-11-2004 02:05									#250
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quote: Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe One does have to question why only the rich areas prefer the party of the common guy?

Or why Poor areas vote to give the top 2% of income brackets large tax breaks.

Red states vote to make blue states richer
Blue states vote to give more money to red states

Red states win, blue states get richer, red states get poorer...

Who is more deluded?

	05-11-2004 02:09									#251
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Gee wow, Considering the exodus from the North to the South of industry in general, who is getting richer and who is getting employed?

Hint, think red.

	05-11-2004 02:09									#252
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As for that united states of Canada, why isn't Alberta in Jesusland, along with Saskatchewan?

	05-11-2004 02:10									#253
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quote: Originally posted by DRoseDARs Who's using a crystal ball? F*cking up the country is what the Republicans do.

Sure, sure. Are you old enough to remember Carter. Johnson?

	05-11-2004 02:12									#254
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quote: Originally posted by Thucydides I remember reading an earlier quote by Karl Rove that people only come out to vote because of hatred. (I don't have the exact quote, but it's always been part of his tactics anyway). It appears that is exactly what's happened. The majority have voted out of fear and hatred more then anything else. The votes for Terrorism were about fear and the ones about moral values were really about hatred. How else can you explain how someone of such incompetence who has nothing positive to contribute to the US be re-elected? Anyway, everything that Bush has owned has been run into the ground. The US government is no exception. Will just have to wait and see how bad things get in 4 years.

Fear and hatred.

Tell me that you don't fear and hate Bush?

	05-11-2004 02:13									#255
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quote: Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe Gee wow, Considering the exodus from the North to the South of industry in general, who is getting richer and who is getting employed? Hint, think red.

1. The whole US is loosing industry- those jobs head south on their way out- they won't stay long

2. Yes, unemployment figures in the south are lower- but so median household incomes, PCI, and school achievement rates- poverty rates are certainly higher.

It is a fact that in general, "blue states" are richer- compare Massachussets to Nebraska or Utah.

	05-11-2004 02:17									#256
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quote: Originally posted by rah It's easy. Because the competition was perceived as worse. What's so hard to understand about that? It's the ultimate insult to Kerry. Instead of making fun of REPUBS for being stupid, you should be making fun of Democrats that thought Kerry was presidential material and voted him to be their candidate. I would have voted for the Democrat if it had been even a decent candidate. But Kerry, I wouldn't trust him to set policy for walking my dog. And that's why he lost. Too many repubs that didn't really want to vote for bush felt the same way. So the Democrats have to carry the burden also.

This is nonsense. Kerry was the very best Northern Liberal the Dems had. He was tall, smooth, extremely articulate and obviously intelligent. He clearly had a lot of the personal qualities that are necessary to be president.

The Dems did not lose because of Kerry. Most of them know that.

	05-11-2004 02:19									#257
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quote: Originally posted by Kaak well, the realclearpolitics site was right on the money (with the exception of wisconsin) http://realclearpolitics.com/Presid...ount_Final.html

Very, very, very impressive. How'd they do that? Eliminate bias?

	05-11-2004 02:21									#258
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Very, very, very impressive. How'd they do that? Eliminate bias?

I've been watching them for a month now. It's a very good site.

	05-11-2004 02:21									#259
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They take every halfway reputable poll they can find and average them.

	05-11-2004 02:22									#260
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quote: Originally posted by GePap 1. The whole US is loosing industry- those jobs head south on their way out- they won't stay long 2. Yes, unemployment figures in the south are lower- but so median household incomes, PCI, and school achievement rates- poverty rates are certainly higher. It is a fact that in general, "blue states" are richer- compare Massachussets to Nebraska or Utah.

Nice deflect but your point was which area was getting richer. Rate of change.

The red states are going in the black while the blue states are going in the red.

Point is red states vote in self interest to continue to attract jobs. While idiot blue states continue to vote away theirs.

	05-11-2004 02:23									#261
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quote: Originally posted by Ned God, I can only wish you freaks would carry out your threats to leave. Why Europe, though. Why not join with your communist fellow-travellers in Cuba or Vietnam?

Because most of us who talk this way (myself included) are not communists.

	05-11-2004 02:26									#262
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quote: Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe Nice deflect but your point was which area was getting richer. Rate of change. The red states are going in the black while the blue states are going in the red. Point is red states vote in self interest to continue to attract jobs. While idiot blue states continue to vote away theirs.

Show me evidence that Oklahoma or Kansas or Mississippi are catching up to New Jersey, Connecticutt, or New York, cause otherwise you are just talking out your ass.

	05-11-2004 02:29									#263
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quote: Originally posted by Harry Tuttle Looks like a feeding frenzy at a cannibal thanksgiving. The youth movement looks like it will implode again. I wonder if the College Dems will drop from their purpoted "thousands" of chapters back down to under 500 again?

I really like the post about Dem intellectual saying f*ck you to the lower middle class who they are trying to help and who don't listen to their intellectual superiors.

What arrogance!

	05-11-2004 02:32									#264
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Elizabeth Edwards told the public today that she was diagnosed with breast cancer. But John and Elizabeth are both confident she can beat this.

What puzzles me is why the Dems are not touting Edwards as a front runner for '08. All the talk is about Hillary.

And, why not run Kerry again?

	05-11-2004 02:33									#265
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Edwards has very LITTLE support in the South, unfortunately in spite of his roots.

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quote: Originally posted by Stefu A thing to consider: Bushies will probably make a new push for the FMA. With a number of Democratic senators in red states being up to re-election, there will be a considerable temptation for them to vote it, especially considering the strength of the anti-gay marriage vote that represented itself.

Agreed. 80% of Americans seem to support the concept. Politicians are anything but stupid despite what the arrogant left thinks.

	05-11-2004 02:35									#267
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun This what I talked about earlier. In the near future, gays and lesbians might be without any political party.

Mr. Fun, you again are making gay "marriage" a litmus test. I assume from this that domestic partner rights are not sufficient for you or gays in general. Right?

	05-11-2004 02:36									#268
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quote: Originally posted by Drachasor Kerry was viewed as a far-left Liberal (when he is only slightly left of centeR). -Drachasor

If Kerry was only slightly left, I wonder where the bulk of the Democrat party is today -- radical communism?

	05-11-2004 02:36									#269
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This actually is a very interesting study:

http://www.cbpp.org/1-18-00sfp-part3.pdf

In many blue states the difference between poor and rich has grown faster than in the red states.

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quote: If Kerry was only slightly left, I wonder where the bulk of the Democrat party is today -- radical communism?

Only in the Nedaverse. Unfortunately for those of us in the blue states, approximately 51% of America lives in the Nedaverse. Mass delusion really isn't pretty.

-Arrian