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The Mad Monk is offline The Mad Monk
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It's the same flu all those Soviet leaders kept getting.

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how many folk here remember the Franco deathwatch. And the SNL routine?

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The major headline on the Israeli news : "Arafat is still not dead".

Well, you would've also found it funny had you too sleeped through the "He's dead" rumor period.


The "I'm not dead" scene from Monty Python's Holy Grail is going through my mind.

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This reminds me of the scene from Monty Python and the Holy Grail where the knight starts hacking people up at the wedding and then realizes it's all a mistake.

He's dead.

No, I'm not.

He's dying.

I think I might pull through

(stab) OK, now he's dead.

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'The death of Spanish dictator Francisco Franco during the first season of Saturday Night Live in 1975 served as the source of one of the first catch phrases from SNL to enter the general lexicon.

Franco lingered near death for weeks before dying. On slow news days, United States network television news casters sometimes noted that Franco was still alive, or not yet dead. The imminent death of Franco was a headline story on the NBC news for a number of weeks prior to his death on November 20.

After Franco's death, Chevy Chase, reader of the news on Saturday Night Live's comedic news segment Weekend Update, announced the dictator's death and read a quote from Richard Nixon praising Franco as a good friend of the United States; as an ironic counterpoint to this, a picture was displayed behind Chase, showing Franco standing alongside Adolf Hitler.

From that point on, Chase made it clear that SNL would get the last laugh at Franco's expense. "This breaking news just in", Chase would announce-- "Generalíssimo Francisco Franco is still dead!" The top story of the news segment for several weeks running was that Generalísimo Francisco Franco was still dead. Chase would repeat the story at the end of the news segment, aided by Garrett Morris, "head of the New York School for the Hard of Hearing", whose "aid" in repeating the story involved cupping his hands around his mouth and shouting the headline.

The phrase may owe something to "General Grant Still Dead", one of the examples of undesirable newspaper headlines in Headlines and Deadlines, a handbook for newspaper copy editors by Robert Garst and Theodore M. Bernstein. Another possible precedent is in an issue of National Lampoon from 1973 that began with a picture of Eisenhower waving, with the caption "Hi kids, I'm still dead!"'

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You, the people who dance, are pure haters

Really, this guy was an old man, who had nearly no power anymore bar a symbolical one. And now you are dancing on his grave. This utter disrespect disgusts me :vomit:

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"That parrot has ceased to be! It is a DEAD PARROT!!!"

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Israel recognized that Arafat did not directly control Hamas. They asked for EFFORT to crackdown on Hamas which never came. In fact the Israelis have accused Arafat of cooperating with Hamas in a game of good cop bad cop. Even if you dont believe that, its clear he never moved decisively against Hamas, even adjusting for his availble means to do so.


Which probably also was problematic,
as the terrorist Organizations have/had widespread influence in the palestinian Population
and Israel punished every bombing by attacking police Stations and other Locations of the provisionaly palestinian government,
thereby probably increasing the support for Hamas and the like, even amongst Arafat followers.

Well, I for my part doubt that the Israel/Palestinian Conflict could be solved without international troops in palestinian territory (Israel isn´t trustworthy in the eyes of many palestinians and palestinian Organizations, like their police are probably too much infiltrated by the terrorist organizations are probably, therefore only a third party could make real efforts towards stopping terrorism there [which aside from searching and arresting terrorists also keeps Israel from expanding their settlements within the westbank])

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his death is not important.

the real important question is where he will be buried.



I was thinking his body could be left in a desert and provide food for vultures.

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You, the people who dance, are pure haters

Really, this guy was an old man, who had nearly no power anymore bar a symbolical one. And now you are dancing on his grave. This utter disrespect disgusts me :vomit:


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quote:
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You, the people who dance, are pure haters

Really, this guy was an old man, who had nearly no power anymore bar a symbolical one. And now you are dancing on his grave. This utter disrespect disgusts me :vomit:


I'm not sure what I prefer. The natural death that is much more beneficial for Israel, or the justice from seeing him survive the disease and finally die from Israeli bullets.

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The vomit smilie is a Counterglow smilie. By any chance do you ever go to Counterglow?

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First Bush gets re-elected, and then Arafat dies? Am I in some right-winger's wet dream?

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I wonder if some of the celebrants would dance on their own founders' graves for the terrorism they did (especially US and Israeli founders).

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First Bush gets re-elected, and then Arafat dies? Am I in some right-winger's wet dream?




Just do NOT lump me with the right-wingers just because I'm happy.

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I wonder if some of the celebrants would dance on their own founders' graves for the terrorism they did (especially US and Israeli founders).




shaddup

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Israeli Channel Two quoted hospital officials saying Arafat is unconscious level 4, whatever that is.

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Just do NOT lump me with the right-wingers just because I'm happy.


It's okay MrFun, you're allowed to share some viewpoints with right-wingers without being considered one of... them.

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Israeli Channel Two quoted hospital officials saying Arafat is unconscious level 4, whatever that is.


It means he is highly skilled at being unconscious.

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You, the people who dance, are pure haters

Really, this guy was an old man, who had nearly no power anymore bar a symbolical one. And now you are dancing on his grave. This utter disrespect disgusts me :vomit:

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"That parrot has ceased to be! It is a DEAD PARROT!!!"


"Not only is the Parrot dead but somebody nailed it onto the perch to make it look alive."

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It means he is highly skilled at being unconscious.


At level 5 you gain the ability of asteral projection and get +1 to all saving throws.

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The vomit smilie is a Counterglow smilie. By any chance do you ever go to Counterglow?

Nah, never.

It was actually a troll (otherwise, I'd have linked to the actual vomit smilie from CivFanatics). I was pinpointing the hypocrisy of those who yelled at the 'Polytubbies who celebrated Reagan's death.

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You, the people who dance, are pure haters

Really, this guy was an old man, who had nearly no power anymore bar a symbolical one. And now you are dancing on his grave. This utter disrespect disgusts me :vomit:


Sometimes something good can come from the death of a leader. Hopefully this is the cause of celebration. OTOH, this man was responsible for countless deaths and his lust for violence made him walk away from the best deal that the Palestinians could hope for.

His death may well open a new era in the ME. If it does, then it is truly a cause for celebration.

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At level 5 you gain the ability of asteral projection and get +1 to all saving throws.


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Nah, never.

It was actually a troll (otherwise, I'd have linked to the actual vomit smilie from CivFanatics). I was pinpointing the hypocrisy of those who yelled at the 'Polytubbies who celebrated Reagan's death.


Very poor analogy Spiffor.

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I don't think you can compare Reagan and Arafat as people or as leaders, but you can definitely compare the heartless callousness required to dance on someone's grave.

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I think I'm going to dance on Arafatty's grave all day on the day he dies.

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I don't think you can compare Reagan and Arafat as people or as leaders, but you can definitely compare the heartless callousness required to dance on someone's grave.


Again, I believe that it is the possibilities that his death brings that is making most people dance, not his death itself.

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I wonder if some of the celebrants would dance on their own founders' graves for the terrorism they did (especially US and Israeli founders).


Ben Gurion crushed his extremists (see Atlalena, sinking of)

 
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