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Oerdin is offline Oerdin
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You mean the speculation that the pals want to bury near/in the Al-Asqba mosque on the Temple Mount right?


That would surely bring abut bloody fighting.

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I agree that the place of his burrial will be important- the whole temple mount bit is silly to me- but they might ask to burry him in his ancestral home, which might be in Israel...but maybe not.

As for the leadership struggle, it will be messy.

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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...deast_arafat_dc



That article now says:

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Palestinian Leader Arafat Is Alive-Hospital Says

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Yay! News that isn't election-related.

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So..... did Israel poison him?

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French doctors treating Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat have denied Israeli TV reports that he has died.
Mr Arafat's health has deteriorated sharply in the last two days and he is being treated in intensive care.

Israel's Channel Two television quoted unnamed sources in Paris which said Mr Arafat underwent a brain scan and was "no longer alive".

Mr Arafat, 75, was flown to a military hospital in Paris last week. He has led the Palestinians since the 1960s.

"Mr Arafat is not dead," said head physician Christian Estripeau in a brief statement outside the military hospital.

An emergency meeting of top Palestinian officials has taken place in the West Bank to discuss the crisis.

At his Palestinian Authority headquarters in the West Bank city of Ramallah, officials stated publicly that Mr Arafat was "absolutely not in a coma".

But sources close to his entourage in Paris said he had fallen unconscious three times in the past two days, and had not regained consciousness the third time.

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I agree that the place of his burrial will be important- the whole temple mount bit is silly to me- but they might ask to burry him in his ancestral home, which might be in Israel...but maybe not.

As for the leadership struggle, it will be messy.


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Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has said he would allow Mr Arafat to return to the West Bank if he recovers.

But he has made it clear he will not allow his old adversary to be buried in Muslim holy ground in east Jerusalem.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mi...ast/3980903.stm


The whole situation could get ugly real fast.

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I agree that the place of his burrial will be important- the whole temple mount bit is silly to me- but they might ask to burry him in his ancestral home, which might be in Israel...but maybe not.

As for the leadership struggle, it will be messy.


I think Arafat is actually Egyptian?

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The PA has refused to tell what Arafat's illness is. There are all sorts of speculation ranging from Alzheimer’s to AIDS.

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No loss to the world.

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Okay...he was born in Gaza in 1929, when Gaza was Egyptian.

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No loss to the world.


Agreed.

If he was born in Gaza then let him be buried in Gaza.

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I won't dance when someone dies but if he is dead then the Palestinians have a historic chance to make real peace with Israel. Blair wants to push for a comprehensive mideast peace agreement but Bush has refused to work with Arafat saying Arafat will never sign a peace agreement. Clinton got the Israelis to agree to 98% of Palestinian demands but still Arafat would not sign.


I don´t think that Arafat was the Problem for Peace with Israel.
It were the palestinian terrorist Organizations. Arafat contols/controlled only Al Aqsa, but had absolutely no control over the other Orgaizations like Hamas, which were the really active Organizations behind most of the Bombings.

Therefore I don´t think that Arafats death will bring the palestinians closer to peace.
Sharon will demand that the Palestinians stop their terrorist attacks as a prerequisite to peace. But as any new palestinian leader will have no influence on the terrorist Organizations (probably less Influence than Arafat had) they won´t stop bombing
and therefore Israel, too, will continue to assassinate palestinian terrorists in palestinian territories.

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MM: I thought Egypt annexed Gaza in 1948.

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Sorry Oerdin but the planet is ssooooooo much better when some people leave it. Arafat is one of those people. Celebration required.

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Okay...he was born in Gaza in 1929, when Gaza was Egyptian.


I thought he was born in Cairo, though I could be misremembering.

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They did; I can't find who owned it before that.

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I don´t think that Arafat was the Problem for Peace with Israel.
It were the palestinian terrorist Organizations. Arafat contols/controlled only Al Aqsa, but had absolutely no control over the other Orgaizations like Hamas, which were the really active Organizations behind most of the Bombings.

Therefore I don´t think that Arafats death will bring the palestinians closer to peace.
Sharon will demand that the Palestinians stop their terrorist attacks as a prerequisite to peace. But as any new palestinian leader will have no influence on the terrorist Organizations (probably less Influence than Arafat had) they won´t stop bombing
and therefore Israel, too, will continue to assassinate palestinian terrorists in palestinian territories.


Israel recognized that Arafat did not directly control Hamas. They asked for EFFORT to crackdown on Hamas which never came. In fact the Israelis have accused Arafat of cooperating with Hamas in a game of good cop bad cop. Even if you dont believe that, its clear he never moved decisively against Hamas, even adjusting for his availble means to do so.

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They did; I can't find who owned it before that.


Up to 1919 Gaza was part of the Ottoman empire. It then was part of the League of Nations Palestine mandate, the UK being the mandatory power. In 1948 it was occupied by Egypt - I dont think they ever annexed it.

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Look here:

http://www.palestine-net.com/history/bhist.html

From 638 through 1840, Egypt held it for several periods -- but so did Damascus and Baghdad.

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Can the title be changed to reflect, you know...that Arafat isn't dead?

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I believe the claim is that he is brain dead but not physically dead.

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Can the title be changed to reflect, you know...that Arafat isn't dead?


Just in: Arafat intubated, in probably final coma, brain death status disputed


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this just in - Jeb Bush has sent Florida State Police to Paris, to make sure that the plug is not pulled prematurely.

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I believe the claim is that he is brain dead but not physically dead.


So he's undead?

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so sharon can now use his axe of crushing, +5 against undead?

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He's caught the Russian Flu.

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so sharon can now use his axe of crushing, +5 against undead?


I think he'd rather use his guided cruise missle + 5 against non-combatants

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He's caught the Russian Flu.


And we're all out of flu vaccine.

Shame.

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The major headline on the Israeli news : "Arafat is still not dead".

Well, you would've also found it funny had you too sleeped through the "He's dead" rumor period.

 
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