05-11-2004 08:12									#121
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Just a few hours ago, one of your fellow Murricans wanted to bomb us because we were aiding him

That way we are covered...whatever happens, it is France's fault.

	05-11-2004 08:17									#122
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quote: Originally posted by PLATO Sometimes something good can come from the death of a leader. Hopefully this is the cause of celebration. OTOH, this man was responsible for countless deaths and his lust for violence made him walk away from the best deal that the Palestinians could hope for. His death may well open a new era in the ME. If it does, then it is truly a cause for celebration.

Bingo. Give PLATO his prize.

What really makes me vomit are the crocodile tears and sypathies for this vile 'old man'. Can we expect the same outpouring of sadness when OBL finally gets his? He is an old man after all. Geez, get off yer freaking high horses.

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at the thread title change

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quote: Originally posted by Wezil Sorry Oerdin but the planet is ssooooooo much better when some people leave it. Arafat is one of those people. Celebration required.

Don't forget to dance in the streets, flash V-signs at journalists, and shoot guns into the clear skies.

	05-11-2004 09:18									#125
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Not true...yet.

Rumor has gelled a bit more.


Recall that one source of Arafat's power is that he controls the money -- literally. His subordinates were always paid directly by him, in cash, and they would pay their own underlings the same way. Lots of cash, all directly from Arafat. He would pay them one month at a time, with only enough cash for that month.

Arafat got this money from a set of bank accounts only he controled; only he knew the account numbers and the passwords. The estimated value of these accounts are 3.2 billion dollars.

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Daddy Warbucks is dead, and nobody can find his bankbook.

	05-11-2004 11:07									#126
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quote: Originally posted by Wezil What really makes me vomit are the crocodile tears and sypathies for this vile 'old man'. Can we expect the same outpouring of sadness when OBL finally gets his? He is an old man after all. Geez, get off yer freaking high horses.

	05-11-2004 13:20									#128
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they're not gonna declare him dead until they figure out where to bury him - even though he is clinically dead and cannot survivce off of life support and has no brain activity, they will keep him like thatuntil they figure out where the bury him.

muslim, like judaism, requires burial within 24 hours of death, and arafat wants to be put in jerusalem, which is prolly a no go, so they will first negociate a place to bury him, and then pronounce him dead officially.

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When he dies, could a mod put "No, wait -- he's dead." after "But not true" in the title?

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quote: Originally posted by Cruddy I really can't see a more "moderate" leader getting the popular support of a majority of Palestinians. Mind you, I'd like to be proved wrong here.

Abu Mazen is more moderate when it comes to means of struggle. He does not believe in terrorism.


Jailed prominent Fatah leader Marwan Barghouti is very moderate when it comes to final agreement demands.


Mohamad Dahlan, Gaza Fatah leader is rather moderate in both demands and means of struggle, though he is known to have supported and financed terrorist attacks at several points.

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quote: Arafat contols/controlled only Al Aqsa, but had absolutely no control over the other Orgaizations like Hamas, which were the really active Organizations behind most of the Bombings.

Yes but Arafat controlled the palestinian police and military forces, and he ordered them to set Hamas and PIJ terrorists free.

He named streets after Hamas terrorists.

He looked the other way when Hamas and PIJ brought posters supporting martyrdom and Jihad to schools and kindergartens.

He allowed palestinian TV to broadcast ceremons of the most rabid anti-Israeli Imams, related to Hamas.

The list goes on.

	05-11-2004 18:43									#132
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quote: Originally posted by Eli Israeli Channel Two quoted hospital officials saying Arafat is unconscious level 4, whatever that is.

i think it means "brain dead"

	05-11-2004 23:17									#133
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I find it Strange that they havent blamed the Mossad yet

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So did he die yet or is this turning into another "In the news today Franco is still alive".

	05-11-2004 23:27									#135
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quote: Originally posted by Generalissimo I find it Strange that they havent blamed the Mossad yet

They did. Palestinian TV showed a sermon by some top religious dude from Gaza saying he "has no doubt that the monkeys and pigs are responsible for the assasination attempt on Arafat" (paraphrased).

(The Jews being monekys and pigs of course)

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This just in:

Palestinian Chairman Yassar Arafat is still not dead.

	06-11-2004 00:10									#138
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I think the enthusiasm for sepulchral dancing is sad. I thought a lacking taste for symbolic revenge was supposed to be one of the ways in which we're better than terrorists and their uncivilized ilk.

That said, it's not like Arafat's death is gonna draw any tears from me either. With some luck it should help the peace process along.

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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Okay...he was born in Gaza in 1929, when Gaza was Egyptian.

In 1929, Gaza was part of British Palestine.

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I'm trying to deternine where the "Egyptian" claims came from.

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Arafat's organization, Al Fatah, was created and backed by Nasser, President of the United Arab Repubic (Egypt), in the 1960s.

	06-11-2004 01:09									#142
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quote: The frail Cairo-born leader was elected President of the Palestinian Authority eight years ago but has been prevented by the Israeli Government to lead his nation and focus on the reconstruction of Palestine.

http://allafrica.com/stories/200411040565.html

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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist I think the enthusiasm for sepulchral dancing is sad. I thought a lacking taste for symbolic revenge was supposed to be one of the ways in which we're better than terrorists and their uncivilized ilk. .

Id be quite happy if the terrorists would keep it to only SYMBOLIC revenge.


Or kept their dancing to the occasions of deaths of political leaders, not thousands of innocents.

	06-11-2004 02:10									#144
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quote: Originally posted by Edan http://allafrica.com/stories/200411040565.html

Yep, but other sources say Gaza, a couple say Jerusalem, and one said the Jerusalem story is a plant.

	06-11-2004 02:58									#145
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark Id be quite happy if the terrorists would keep it to only SYMBOLIC revenge.

I think we'd all be happy if terrorists weren't terrorists.

The reason I speak of symbolic revenge, however, is that useless acts like jumping on a dead enemy's grave - or expressing a wish to do it on an online forum - is something we can refrain form, and consider ourselves more enlightened for refraining from. Revenge against enemies that are still fighting, OTOH, is often necessary. For the US not to try and strike at AQ after the WTC attacks would have been an exercise not in good taste but in stupidity, I'm sure everyone here agrees. But if we do not refrain from "real" revenge, we can't claim that our refraining from it makes us better than them.

quote: Or kept their dancing to the occasions of deaths of political leaders, not thousands of innocents.

When they're responsible for the actual killing of those innocents for no purpose with which I'm going to remotely sympathize, their showing some unseemly glee over it doesn't really make them meaningfully nastier in my eyes.

OTOH, it does sadden me to see someone who I otherwise perceive as a basically decent person expresses similar glee at someones death. If I may use an analogy, I care more about a small scratch on a brand new car than a big one on an ancient wreck.

	06-11-2004 09:31									#146
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Gee whiz, just die already so we can move on.

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quote: Originally posted by St Leo quote: Originally posted by Wezil Sorry Oerdin but the planet is ssooooooo much better when some people leave it. Arafat is one of those people. Celebration required. Don't forget to dance in the streets, flash V-signs at journalists, and shoot guns into the clear skies.

What? And send all the NDP types heading for the hills?

They proved they are a cowardly bunch in the last election....

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According to the French Militairy Hospital, Arafat has awaken from his coma

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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk When he dies, could a mod put "No, wait -- he's dead." after "But not true" in the title?

I second that

	07-11-2004 09:49									#150
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quote: Originally posted by germanos According to the French Militairy Hospital, Arafat has awaken from his coma

Hmm.. Who do I believe more? Palestinians or the French?