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quote: Originally posted by Ming There are just as many ignorant Dems as there are Repubs... So I love this "Dems are smarter than Repubs" attitude... It shows that people who feel that way may be the most ignorant of all

The average Dem is more educated than the Repuke... and Chegitz is right, even the most obnoxious leftists are not as bad as ML.

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Well, there are some...

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Nt in my personal experience. more of the ignorant people I meet tend to be right-wing. This was both North and South. This isn't to say I don't know many very intelligent right-wingers, especially on Apolyton. But let's face it, even here, you have more Fez, ML, Bob Dornan types than left-wing dumbasses like me.

It must be fun having knowing so many ignorant people... But maybe you just consider anybody that disagrees with you ignorant

Most of the people I know are well informed, whether they are liberals or conservatives... But I don't consider people that disagree with me ignorant

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I always judge how wise people are by the number of times they wink at me in a given conversation.

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Yeah you're right, I guess I might be seen as one of the worse of the bunch, along with Tripledoc and Aggie maybe.

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quote: Originally posted by Oncle Boris The average Dem is more educated than the Repuke... and Chegitz is right, even the most obnoxious leftists are not as bad as ML.

Now there is a grand sweeping generalization...

The strength of the democratic party is in the major cities... with a lot of support coming from some of the poorest and least educated parts of this country. The Dems have always ridden on the backs of the poor and uneducated

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And these major cities have the highest concentration of educated people in the world. San Francisco, Los Angeles, Bostong, Washington DC?

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And they also have the LARGEST number of poor and uneducated people in the US as well...

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quote: Originally posted by Ming It must be fun having knowing so many ignorant people...

Fun isn't the term I'd use.

quote: But maybe you just consider anybody that disagrees with you ignorant

You, DanS, Adam Smith, etc. are not people I'd consider ignorant. The part of the right-wing which I consider ignorant is that section which thinks the world was created 5800 years ago, who think that no innocent person has ever been accidentally put on death row, thinks the US found WMDs in Iraq, thinks that Iraq was involved in 9/11, etc.

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quote: Originally posted by Agathon With all due respect, I think that this attitude is naive. You cannot "demonstrate" anything to a person who does not hold their beliefs for rational reasons. As I said before, I think that most conservatism is pathological: a psychological response of people who cannot deal with the freedom granted them by modern society. It is quite similar to religion, which explains why most advocates of fundamentalism are politically conservative.

I think, though, that the conclusion gay sex is a sin is logically arrived at from a false premise. The false premise is that homosexuality is voluntary.

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara You, DanS, Adam Smith, etc. are not people I'd consider ignorant. The part of the right-wing which I consider ignorant is that section which thinks the world was created 5800 years ago, who think that no innocent person has ever been accidentally put on death row, thinks the US found WMDs in Iraq, thinks that Iraq was involved in 9/11, etc.

Most of the conservatives I know aren't ignorant... And most of them think Bush is an idiot, but would also agree the they couldn't trust Kerry. If the Dems had put up a reasonable candidate, they probably would have won the election due to many Republicans contempt for Bush. I would have loved to have had a viable alternative to Bush.

But this painting of all people who voted for Bush as ignorant and brain washed is really stupid. And this whole Dems are smarter than Repubs attitude is just silly...

Whenever I hear these broad generalizations... I just picture the ward bosses in Chicago rounding up the winos on election day so that they can cast their ballots... and you can bet they are all voting straight Democratic Party tickets

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quote: Originally posted by Ming And they also have the LARGEST number of poor and uneducated people in the US as well...

Yes, but the difference this time was, the appeal to the electorate didn't play off their bigotry.

In fact in this election one big mistake was the Democrats ignored this segment of the population.

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I also think it is possible to argue the issue of abortion logically with a Christian. If one starts with a human who has become braindead, why is it or how can it be murder to disconnect life support?

If the Church finally accepts this simple proposition, then by analogy, it is not murder to disconnect life support from fetus prior to its brain becoming functional.

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quote: why is it or how can it be murder to disconnect life support

It isn't. Who says it is?

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quote: Originally posted by Ming The Dems have always ridden on the backs of the poor and uneducated

I think you meant to say that Dems have always stood up for economic opportunity for all, for civil rights and for quality free public education.

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quote: Originally posted by Agathon In other news Saskatchewan has just legalized gay marriage. It's sort of funny that Liberals are being accused of looking down on people, since that is merely a contingent feature of Liberalism. Liberalism is founded upon equality and holds in low regard (i.e. treats as unequal) views that promote inequality. This is a contingent matter, if there was nobody holding such views, the attitude would vanish. On the other hand, inequality is essential to conservatism. Conservatives, whether they like to admit it or not, always have to have some group to hold in contempt due to their love of status hierarchies. It really doesn't matter who they are, yesterday it was blacks, now it's gays, tomorrow who knows?

Wow, someone who actually admits that liberalism is a code word for socialism.

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Smiley is right. Clinton is wrong.

Methinks there is going to be battle royal for control of the Democrat party.

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quote: Originally posted by Ned Wow, someone who actually admits that liberalism is a code word for socialism.

Don't lump those weak-spined losers in with me, thank you.

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quote: Originally posted by Ned Methinks there is going to be battle royal for control of the Democrat party.

Given that I'm not a Democrat, I can only say, I hope so. That party needs a nice fratricide to wipe out the old blood and raise a generation of ass-kickers.

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quote: Wow, someone who actually admits that liberalism is a code word for socialism.

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quote: Originally posted by Ned Wow, someone who actually admits that liberalism is a code word for socialism.

In Ned saying that the only people who support equality under the law are socialists?? Bad, bad Ned!

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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker They are backward reactionary stupid hillbillies

Yeah. I really love living in my trailer parked out here in the mountains.

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quote: Originally posted by Zkribbler In Ned saying that the only people who support equality under the law are socialists?? Bad, bad Ned!

It was stuff my grandfather would say like that which made me less immune to the mental infection known as communism. Calling the Vietnam anti-war movement, MLK, and rock n'roll all communist movements made me think that there were two possibilities.

1) Communism, being behind so many good things, must not be that bad.

-or-

2) Conservatives were trying to slander good movements, which meant that they were opposed to good causes, which means they were not to be trusted.

It turns out both things were true.

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quote: Originally posted by Oncle Boris The average Dem is more educated than the Repuke... and Chegitz is right, even the most obnoxious leftists are not as bad as ML.

Dems are divided between the rank and file and the elites. Demographic polls seem to illustrate this by showing increasing affiliation with the Republican party by wealth until one gets to post graduate types, who then are predominately Democrats.

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quote: Originally posted by DanS It isn't. Who says it is?

Dan, I think the Catholic Church believes it is murder as they do not believe a person is clinically dead until the heart stops.

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quote: Originally posted by Zkribbler I think you meant to say that Dems have always stood up for economic opportunity for all, for civil rights and for quality free public education.

Clearly those are Republican values. The Dems per
Agathon, I believe, said they were for "equality" as opposed to "equal opportunity."

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Don't lump those weak-spined losers in with me, thank you.

You share the same goals, it seems. Equality. You may just disagree on how rapidly to force the issue.

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quote: Dan, I think the Catholic Church believes it is murder as they do not believe a person is clinically dead until the heart stops.

I don't think you know what you're talking about.

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quote: Originally posted by Zkribbler In Ned saying that the only people who support equality under the law are socialists?? Bad, bad Ned!

Zkribbler, that is not what Agathon said. He said "equality" in the sense that socialism defines equality: economic equality.

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara It was stuff my grandfather would say like that which made me less immune to the mental infection known as communism. Calling the Vietnam anti-war movement, MLK, and rock n'roll all communist movements made me think that there were two possibilities. 1) Communism, being behind so many good things, must not be that bad. -or- 2) Conservatives were trying to slander good movements, which meant that they were opposed to good causes, which means they were not to be trusted. It turns out both things were true.

Communists promise equality and largely deliver. The problem is that equality is achieved at the cost of freedom and prosperity.