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chegitz guevara is offline chegitz guevara
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As you may know, I'm currently on unemployment (my last month, also). I get enough to pay rent, with $300 left over for phone, DSL, electricity, and food. It's not enough, so I tried to get charity to help with the electric bill.

First they told me they couldn't help unless the power company was threatening to to cut off the power. Now that the power company is doing just that, I can't get through to any of the charities to get help. They are swamped with calls.

There's too many people in need and not enough private charity to go around. And some people want more of this.


BTW, this is not a "help us thread," just a complaint about the idea that private charities are an answer and better than the government.

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Well, as the saying goes, there's more than one way to skin a cat Che.

I've had friends help me over this hump where I've been out of work, so why not you?

This is a form of private charity, and should not be neglected.

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I don't want to get deeper in debt.

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There's too many people in need and not enough private charity to go around.

Maybe we can cut the taxes on the rich somemore so they have more excess income to fund the private charities with?

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I don't want to get deeper in debt.


Would they hold you in debt?

Mine haven't, which is why I accepted.

Now I'll be working, I can pay them back.

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I get enough to pay rent, with $300 left over for phone, DSL, electricity, and food. It's not enough, so I tried to get charity to help with the electric bill.


I see a problem.

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I see a problem.

Don't shatter the illusion.

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Maybe we can cut the taxes on the rich somemore so they have more excess income to fund the private charities with?


How much more have they given to private charity since they got their tax cuts in the last couple years?

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Maybe we can cut the taxes on the rich somemore so they have more excess income to fund the private charities with?


Right, cause this is the reason they are not giving

Especially since you get to write off charitable donations from your taxes.

Private Charity is simply not enough to ever really take care of the needs of the poor- and if you need proof, just ask yourself why the social welfare state was built, since wya back when, before it, charity did exist, and tax rates were lower, so forth and so on.

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I see a problem.


Voice over IP requires DSL. It costs me less to have DSL and VoIP with no long distance than it does to have long distance and dial-up. Since I'm actively looking for work in more than just one city, it's kinda usefull and saves money.

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How much more have they given to private charity since they got their tax cuts in the last couple years?

Obviously not enough so we need to cut their taxes more.

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Obviously not enough so we need to cut their taxes more.


The rich give less to charity than they get back from their tax cuts. Tax cuts mean less money overall to both private and government aid.

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How much more have they given to private charity since they got their tax cuts in the last couple years?


Actually, private charities have been reporting rising contributions. (I saw it earlier this week in the paper, but sorry, no link) Since a good percentage of contributions come from wealthy, I'd have to say that the amount has risen.

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I don't doubt they're giving, but are they matching what's been lost?

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Got spare money?

That would be hard to judge.
But I'd be willing to bet that most reputable charities (especially after the united way scandal) have a lower administration % than the government.

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That's the biggest point, Rah.

Private charities get you more bang for your buck, so it is not enough to say that the dollars cut from the government need to be paid back at an equivalent rate to private charities.

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I don't think charities help white people anyways. . So you're better off getting a job.

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That would be hard to judge.
But I'd be willing to bet that most reputable charities (especially after the united way scandal) have a lower administration % than the government.


It depends. A lot of private charities spend a lot of money on getting more money. Private charities specifically helping the poor (as opposed to say, the Lyric Opera or the Lincoln Park Zoo) probably have a much lower operating cost. They get a lot of free volunteer work as well as people willing to work for less. Then again, it's not like government pay is so great.

That is an interesting point I just thought. While donations to private charity is up, how much of that is earmarked for helping people and how much is for pay for things the rich enjoy as well (the aforementions Opera and Zoo, Metropolitan Park, etc.) It's money well spent, IMO, but it doesn't help the poor keep from being homeless.

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As you may know, I'm currently on unemployment (my last month, also). .



Best of luck-- I had two stints of unemployment in the last three years and know how worrying it can be. Thankfully they were short enough that I never had to go on unemplyment benefits. The maximum benefits here seem to max out at around 20,000 per year.

As for charities to help the poor, they do good work but all they really accomplish is to blunt some of the effects of poverty. Solutions involve things like low cost housing or job creation. I give both food and money but do so knowing its only a band-aid solution

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That would be hard to judge.
But I'd be willing to bet that most reputable charities (especially after the united way scandal) have a lower administration % than the government.


*If* that's the case (and it is only a suspicion) the solution is to do the work to make the government more efficient.

There are ways to increase government efficiency, and I do not deny the Big G can learn something from how businesses are run to do this.

First of all, Line Item Veto and some other changes can get rid of Pork.

Secondly, there are a lot of agencies with overlapping or similar jobs, and they need to be reduced down into a smaller number of more efficient agencies.

Thirdly, we need a much greater focus on efficiency in the government, and efficiency experts and even a law that requires all bills to go through an "efficiency comittee" that looked through current law and looked to fit in that changes into current agencies and the like, as well as assessing the practicality of the bill, would help greatly.

Yes, the Big G is in some ways more and even a lot more inefficient, but it also has the means, the numbers, and the other tools at its hands to handle charity in a much better and fairer way than any private organization.

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Oh, and anyone that doesn't think that an internet connection and even a high-speed internet connection is almost if not a basic necessity in this day and age hasn't been paying attention.

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That would be hard to judge.
But I'd be willing to bet that most reputable charities (especially after the united way scandal) have a lower administration % than the government.


They also have a much smaller reach and can only give limited aide.

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Oh, and anyone that doesn't think that an internet connection and even a high-speed internet connection is almost if not a basic necessity in this day and age hasn't been paying attention.

-Drachasor


it's not a necessity. I've been thinking about quitting my job. And if I do, I will cut my internet access. And you won't have me around to bug you all.

I doubt I will quit though. But it seems pointless to work a job I'm unhappy with. The problem is though, I would probably be unhappy working any job.

I hate all work. I just want to kick back and not work and have a socialist society pay my bills. Is that possible anywhere?

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Maybe we can cut the taxes on the rich somemore so they have more excess income to fund the private charities with?


Or get new Beemer SUV's, cuban cigars, better champagne and higher priced hookers.

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it's not a necessity. I've been thinking about quitting my job. And if I do, I will cut my internet access. And you won't have me around to bug you all.


Will you die? No, but then you don't really need a house to live, now do you? You don't really need medical care either, nor any other kind of care.

That doesn't mean that for practical purposes it is a necessity to have that access in a modern society. While not entirely true, it is becoming more and more true.

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I doubt I will quit though. But it seems pointless to work a job I'm unhappy with. The problem is though, I would probably be unhappy working any job.


That may or may not be the case. If it is, then it is unfortunate. If you are unaware of a job you'd enjoy, then that is also unfortunate. My condolences.

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I hate all work. I just want to kick back and not work and have a socialist society pay my bills. Is that possible anywhere?


Not in a pragmatic socialist society, no.

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As you may know, I'm currently on unemployment (my last month, also). I get enough to pay rent, with $300 left over for phone, DSL, electricity, and food. It's not enough, so I tried to get charity to help with the electric bill.

First they told me they couldn't help unless the power company was threatening to to cut off the power. Now that the power company is doing just that, I can't get through to any of the charities to get help. They are swamped with calls.

There's too many people in need and not enough private charity to go around. And some people want more of this.


BTW, this is not a "help us thread," just a complaint about the idea that private charities are an answer and better than the government.

If you have DSL and a computer, you're a lot better off than a lot of people. Don't expect them to help you.

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If you have DSL and a computer, you're a lot better off than a lot of people. Don't expect them to help you.


He's somehow better of that donors to charity?

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Strip for money!

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He's somehow better of that donors to charity?

What sort of dumb question is that?

He's better off than the people who should be recieving charity.

 
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