08-11-2004 02:25									#91
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quote: Originally posted by Sava Ted Striker

Striker.............Ted? striker?

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	08-11-2004 02:26									#92
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quote: Originally posted by Verto The man must have been mentally unstable beforehand, and this was just an excuse for suicide. If not, then he was just an idiot.

Well, he was apparently a Democrat..........

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	08-11-2004 02:27									#93
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Someone killing themselves for no reason isn't much to laugh at, but neither is using some else's suicide as a political argument

	08-11-2004 02:32									#94
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He already made it one.


And how does this differ again from the monk?

	08-11-2004 02:33									#95
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This whole thread is about somebody that did a stupid thing for a stupid reason.

You give any credit to this guy for what he's done and why he's done it, you will see more idiots doing the same thing.

The best way to stop this stupidity is to laugh at it.

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	08-11-2004 02:35									#96
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It wasn't the best decision no, but what is most telling is the number of people coming out and calling him, "stupid," "idiot," "coward," etc.

	08-11-2004 02:38									#97
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker It wasn't the best decision no, but what is most telling is the number of people coming out and calling him, "stupid," "idiot," "coward," etc.

It is stupid, pointing a gun at yourself is a stupid thing to do. Period.

Haven't these guys ever heard the term "don't kill the messenger for the message"?

Especially when you ARE the messenger.

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	08-11-2004 02:39									#98
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So, again, I'll ask, is the monk also stupid?

	08-11-2004 02:40									#99
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker So, again, I'll ask, is the monk also stupid?

Yes he is.

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	08-11-2004 02:42									#100
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actually, the attitudes and responses from *******s on this forum probably illustrate why the man committed suicide... nobody cared about his mental health. People mock his problems even in death.

**** you *******s.... no need to name names

	08-11-2004 02:44									#101
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker It wasn't the best decision no, but what is most telling is the number of people coming out and calling him, "stupid," "idiot," "coward," etc.

Suicide over a political election is stupid. Suicide over a girl is stupid. suicide for any reason except for saving another life is stupid. It is the cowards way out. You leave the problems behind while your family and friends are left to pick up the pieces. You on the other hand seem to justify it more because there may be a link between his death and someone you are so vocally against. That is stupid to. There was far more mential issues involved here than protest....

	08-11-2004 02:44									#102
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quote: Originally posted by Sava actually, the attitudes and responses from *******s on this forum probably illustrate why the man committed suicide... nobody cared about his mental health. People mock his problems even in death. **** you *******s.... no need to name names

And this is the main problem I have with the people responding here.


Even though I think we can all agree he made a bad decision, the callousness is just outright BS. It all amounts to "suck it up coward!"

	08-11-2004 02:45									#103
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quote: Originally posted by Sava actually, the attitudes and responses from *******s on this forum probably illustrate why the man committed suicide... nobody cared about his mental health. People mock his problems even in death. **** you *******s.... no need to name names

Like me? I didn't know the guy, had no idea he was unstable.

I haven't mocked his problems, I mock his solution to his problems.

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quote: Originally posted by Sava actually, the attitudes and responses from *******s on this forum probably illustrate why the man committed suicide... nobody cared about his mental health. People mock his problems even in death. **** you *******s.... no need to name names

You can only do so much for a person. They have to have a desire to be helped. Sure there are plenty of cruel people out there but there are just as many people who would have cared.

	08-11-2004 02:47									#105
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber Suicide over a political election is stupid. Suicide over a girl is stupid. suicide for any reason except for saving another life is stupid. It is the cowards way out. You leave the problems behind while your family and friends are left to pick up the pieces. You on the other hand seem to justify it more because there may be a link between his death and someone you are so vocally against. That is stupid to. There was far more mential issues involved here than protest....

Again, I'm not justifying it. I'm saying at least we should listen to why he did what he did. Even if his message was something I disagreed with, we should still listen to it.


But you and your crew seem quick to sit in judgement.

	08-11-2004 02:54									#106
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Again, I'm not justifying it. I'm saying at least we should listen to why he did what he did. Even if his message was something I disagreed with, we should still listen to it. But you and your crew seem quick to sit in judgement.

Yes you were. YOu were making him out to be the next political activits of the year. That is what people on here got judgemental about. If anything all the ire was directed to your elevation of him to some sort of anit-bush saint.

It's a simple case of a very disturbed young man who ran into a lot of problems, got involved in the political debate and along the way put all his hopes and dreams on something that in the end is transitory. It could have easily been the affection of a young lady or the hopes of the Atlanta Falcons.

	08-11-2004 02:57									#107
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber Yes you were. YOu were making him out to be the next political activits of the year. That is what people on here got judgemental about. If anything all the ire was directed to your elevation of him to some sort of anit-bush saint.

No, they were criticising him personally, yet annointing that monk to saint status. You can't say one is acceptable because I agree with his political views and the other I don't because I don't agree with his political views.

Now WHO is making this a political issue???

quote: It's a simple case of a very disturbed young man who ran into a lot of problems, got involved in the political debate and along the way put all his hopes and dreams on something that in the end is transitory. It could have easily been the affection of a young lady or the hopes of the Atlanta Falcons.

Sure, it could have been, but the fact that he traveled all the way to Ground Zero says it all.

	08-11-2004 03:05									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker No, they were criticising him personally, yet annointing that monk to saint status. You can't say one is acceptable because I agree with his political views and the other I don't because I don't agree with his political views.

I think the monk was pretty stupid to. Only thing a person can say about him is that he had a pair of balls for setting himself on fire at an intersection.

quote: Sure, it could have been, but the fact that he traveled all the way to Ground Zero says it all.

It says that an emotionally disturbed man bought into all the crap about the end of the world now that the evil Bush was re elected. That is what it says. Nothing more.

One of my best friends went to his ex girlfriends house and blew his brains out because she had dumped him. What does that say about him? Even though he was a good friend and I had grew up with him, I can still safely say it was extremely stupid and damned selfiish to do what he did.

	08-11-2004 03:09									#109
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Sure, it could have been, but the fact that he traveled all the way to Ground Zero says it all.

No it doesn't, he could have simply wanted to join the other souls that died there.

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	08-11-2004 03:14									#110
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber One of my best friends went to his ex girlfriends house and blew his brains out because she had dumped him. What does that say about him? Even though he was a good friend and I had grew up with him, I can still safely say it was extremely stupid and damned selfiish to do what he did.

I have more experience with mentally disturbed people than anyone else on this board, PERIOD. Including people who eventually commited suicide and those that failed at the attempt.


What is most disturbing are the attitudes I see here regarding what he did.

Sava is correct, this punitive, they are weakminded judgemental attitude towards them is part of the problem.

Okay, so say someone in your family tries to commit suicide and fails. What do you do, scold them for being a coward and tell them how stupid they are?

Great rehabilitation program.

	08-11-2004 03:15									#111
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quote: One of my best friends went to his ex girlfriends house and blew his brains out because she had dumped him. What does that say about him? Even though he was a good friend and I had grew up with him, I can still safely say it was extremely stupid and damned selfiish to do what he did.

And by the way you using your friend as an example, I could get on your case about using it to try and prove a point in the forums, but I didn't.

	08-11-2004 03:16									#112
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quote: Originally posted by Tuberski No it doesn't, he could have simply wanted to join the other souls that died there. ACK!

The fact remains that him travelling there all the way from Georiga is significant.

	08-11-2004 03:18									#113
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker The fact remains that him travelling there all the way from Georiga is significant.

Yes, I'm sure there is, but you can't say what it is.

It could be the reason I said, as far as you know.

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	08-11-2004 03:21									#114
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So in that case, none of us can really say WHAT it was that made him do it.

Though I have my opinon.

	08-11-2004 03:25									#115
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker No, they were criticising him personally, yet annointing that monk to saint status. You can't say one is acceptable because I agree with his political views and the other I don't because I don't agree with his political views. Now WHO is making this a political issue??? Sure, it could have been, but the fact that he traveled all the way to Ground Zero says it all.

After discussing it on another forum, I have come to the conclusion that the monk made a fundamentally bad decision, as well.

As long as there's life, there's hope.

	08-11-2004 03:26									#116
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker So in that case, none of us can really say WHAT it was that made him do it. Though I have my opinon.

Yet, that is what you were arguing the most in the beginning.

Suicide is stupid any way you look at it. It doesn't slove problems.

It's selfish and it is cowardly. It's the ultimate "run away from your problems" solution.

That doesn't mean I don't feel for the poor guy, he needed help and didn't get it, for whatever reason.

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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc It's funny how the elction has driven more than a few people here stupid.

Weren't you the one who said exactly the same thing about the war in Iraq?

	08-11-2004 03:32									#118
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If he did, he was right.

	08-11-2004 03:33									#119
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	08-11-2004 03:35									#120
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quote: Originally posted by Tuberski Yet, that is what you were arguing the most in the beginning.

Like I said I have my opinion. Which I believe is correct.

quote: It doesn't slove problems.

I agree. Unless you are terminally person with no chance of survival, and are in a great deal of pain.

quote: It's selfish and it is cowardly. It's the ultimate "run away from your problems" solution.

Tell that to someone considering doing it. I'm sure you will help sway their decision.

quote: That doesn't mean I don't feel for the poor guy, he needed help and didn't get it, for whatever reason.