05-12-2004 07:08									#31
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Well, unless they really really go hog wild in the 4th Quarter, Auburn won't be getting higher than 3.

OU, as predicted, is killing Colorado.

Btw, earlier today, VTech looked great against Miami. Great to see two Big East teams in the BCS (VTech, as well as Miami, are really Big East teams who are putzing around in the ACC ).

	05-12-2004 07:08									#32
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Auburn takes the lead again!

	05-12-2004 08:05									#33
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Well Auburn wins 38-28. The victory probably wasn't big enough to leapfrog Oklahoma who is up 28-0 right now.

	05-12-2004 08:34									#34
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It's going to be such a bummer watching Auburn get screwed.

	05-12-2004 08:53									#35
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They deserve it after playing LA-Monroe and LA Tech and the Citidel. It was their own fault. And before you say they had Bowling Green before they had to get the Citidel, there were PLENTY of schools out there that would have dropped lesser opponent to play Auburn. How do you think LSU played Oregon State when they weren't on the original schedule?

Though that is the price you pay for not having a playoff.

	05-12-2004 09:25									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Well Auburn wins 38-28.

	05-12-2004 09:45									#37
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Hey! You guys made it close! With a 3rd string QB to boot >

	05-12-2004 10:28									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui What, no comment about how both Auburn and Tennessee suck?

I'd be happy to make a comment about the University of Scared Caucasians.

	05-12-2004 11:49									#39
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USC
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Auburn

	05-12-2004 11:52									#40
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Poo poo on Auburn.

If they hadn't sucked it up so ba d last year they would have been 1st or 2nd this year.



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	05-12-2004 19:01									#41
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The nightmare scenario has finally occured. Bring on the plus-one game (only in cases of three undefeated teams, though)...

	05-12-2004 20:03									#42
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Bring on the playoffs!

	05-12-2004 20:05									#43
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Another year... Another screw job for some undefeated teams that won't get the chance to prove they are the best... The BCS has YET again showed itself to be a terrible system... Only luck makes the BCS work, and lately, it hasn't worked. Time to juck the system and for the NCAA to take control of THEIR sport. The BCS will produce an undefeated team, but nobody will know if they are truely number one. I hope USC losses, and Auburn wins so we might be able to have yet another split championship... and to the other undefeated team... I guess the system is just tellimg them that they suck.

DOWN WITH THE BCS... Bring on a real playoff system that rewards teams that play great.

	05-12-2004 20:09									#44
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Plus-one game in case of three or four undefeateds

Playoff

quote: Another screw job for some undefeated teams that won't get the chance to prove they are the best...

Another screw job for an undefeated team? Seems like the first, for a major conference team at least...

	05-12-2004 20:18									#45
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Oh I get it now... only major conferences can win the national championship... that's fair...

Being undefeated just isn't good enough...

	05-12-2004 20:21									#46
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Not only major conference teams; I think Utah deserves a shot this year. Most non-major conference teams who go undefeated aren't really worthy of a title shot IMO, though...

	05-12-2004 21:08									#47
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Like Boise State?

	05-12-2004 21:25									#48
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Undefeated teams by definition, have not been beat. Who knows which of the teams is really the best. The current system has sucked, does suck, and will continue to suck. It does NOT produce a national champion, and it screwed up all the history of the bowls. It has failed on ALL levels. It's time to trash the system, and let the NCAA govern their own sport for a change.

	05-12-2004 21:32									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Hey! You guys made it close! With a 3rd string QB to boot >

I can't say I am displeased with Tennessee's year. They are so very young. Next year, barring injury, should be exceptional. Auburn just brought to much this year.

quote: It's time to trash the system, and let the NCAA govern their own sport for a change.

Without a doubt. A playoff system is the only reasonable solution. From what I'm hearing, however, a "plus one" game may actually come to pass.

	05-12-2004 22:08									#50
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quote: The nightmare scenario has finally occured.

Yep, but I'd say last year was at least a bad dream (three 1 loss teams). This year actually MAY be better. If USC wins over Oklahoma there will likely not be a split national championship (since USC is #1 in both polls), but Auburn will call themselves the champion, like Penn State does with 1998 (I think that's the year).

quote: Undefeated teams by definition, have not been beat. Who knows which of the teams is really the best. The current system has sucked, does suck, and will continue to suck. It does NOT produce a national champion, and it screwed up all the history of the bowls. It has failed on ALL levels. It's time to trash the system, and let the NCAA govern their own sport for a change.

Couldn't have said it better. It failed on producing a 'true' national championship and it destroyed the history of the bowls. What is it good for?

quote: A playoff system is the only reasonable solution.

	05-12-2004 22:13									#51
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quote: This year actually MAY be better. If USC wins over Oklahoma there will likely not be a split national championship (since USC is #1 in both polls),

IIRC, USC was number 1 in both polls last year as well but didn't get to play in the Championship game, and only got a split-decision when all was said and done.

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quote: IRC, USC was number 1 in both polls last year as well but didn't get to play in the Championship game, and only got a split-decision when all was said and done.

Exactly. Because the Coaches Poll is contractually obligated to vote for the BCS Championship Game winner as #1. The AP is not, so they continued to vote for their #1.

	05-12-2004 22:22									#53
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"contractually obligated."

Yeah, sounds like a fine way to pick a champion!

	05-12-2004 22:38									#54
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Hehe... yep. The BCS did that so it wouldn't get embarassed if both polls voted for another team that didn't even play in the 'BCS Championship Game' as national champion (as would have happened last year with USC).

	05-12-2004 23:10									#55
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The non BCS conference coaches should have blown it up last year and voted for USC.

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	05-12-2004 23:13									#56
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If the voting is not anonymous, then not voting for the BCS champion would make the individual coaches liable.

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exactly.

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quote: Originally posted by JohnT If the voting is not anonymous, then not voting for the BCS champion would make the individual coaches liable.

I figure that would only matter if the coaches poll goes for someone else, but it would depend on how the contract is set up. I wonder what the penalty would really be.

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I'm satisfied with the current system and think that it did its job just fine this year. Auburn, Utah, and Boise State are judged in part by their strength of schedules. It seems pretty clear to me that USC and Oklahoma are #1 and #2, respectively. If Auburn, Utah, and Boise State don't want left out next time, they'll schedule tougher opponents.

In any event, I always follow the AP, so as Ming points out, the BCS is only a means to help determine who is national champion.

	06-12-2004 00:06									#60
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quote: Originally posted by DanS I'm satisfied with the current system and think that it did its job just fine this year. Auburn, Utah, and Boise State are judged in part by their strength of schedules. It seems pretty clear to me that USC and Oklahoma are #1 and #2, respectively. If Auburn, Utah, and Boise State don't want left out next time, they'll schedule tougher opponents. In any event, I always follow the AP, so as Ming points out, the BCS is only a means to help determine who is national champion.

Except in the cases of Boise State and Utah, the tougher opponents are loathe to schedule games with them.

Being mid-majors, the tougher teams don't see aything to gain by playing them and more to lose.

Scheduling should be turned over to an independent body and not done by the schools.

Then a lot of these problems will be resolved.

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