06-12-2004 11:00									#91
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quote: Texas barely beat A&M a weak school

A&M, you mean the 20th ranked team in the BCS? A weak team? Man, you have no idea what you are talking about! I have no idea why I'm even arguing with someone like you who hasn't a clue!

	06-12-2004 11:03									#92
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Have to agree with Imran here, OU beat the crap out of Texas, as they have for the last 4 years.

Texas isn't as good as these people think.

Michigan will smoke 'em.

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	06-12-2004 11:43									#93
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quote: The computers don't take preseason into account. And they are the best argument against the human bias argument (ie, teams drop 4-6 places after a loss).

yes they do. they take it into account way too much. usc will never fall out of first if they never lose, even if they never play a top 25 team and even if they play them close.

quote: That's an idiotic measure. You judge how many Top 10 teams a team has beaten after the season is over. Auburn has beaten only 1, Georgia. The others aren't good enough.

that may work for other sports, but not for BCS college football, where a team lke tenessee, who lost twice to the same team, will get dropped from the rankings. in this thing, if you lose once, you are pretty much out of it. therefore, you take it into account at the tme of play, not at the end. does anyone really think that utah can beat miami FL? no.

quote: Did you watch the game? It was a total beat down. Oklahoma played ball control and rushed the ball down Texas's throat, with Peterson getting 225 yards on the ground in that game.

of course i watched it. and how many poiints did they score? 12. apparently they didnt rush enough or they woulda put up more points.

quote: A&M, you mean the 20th ranked team in the BCS? A weak team? Man, you have no idea what you are talking about! I have no idea why I'm even arguing with someone like you who hasn't a clue!

A & M is a weak team. the difference between #5 and #20 is huge. A & M started at 17 and went down.

	06-12-2004 11:46									#94
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LoA: Review Auburn's schedule again. It's not a tough schedule. There are some patsies in there.

	06-12-2004 11:50									#95
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I can't see how you can say the SEC sucked this year. It was historically weak, but so were the Big 12 and Pac 10.

	06-12-2004 11:52									#96
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auburn played:
#4 LSU, and won a close one. (10-9)
#8 Tennessee, and blew them out (34 - 10)
#5 Georgia, wasnt even close (24 - 6)
#15 Tennessee, kinda close (38-28)

in between, they blew out all the dozers. did OU and/or USC have a harder schedual? nope. Did Ou and/or USC win close ones aganst unranked teams and/or ranked teams? yep, especially USC who almost lost to Oregon state, Cal, AND UCLA. and this is your number one team? who can barely beat the dozers? how many top teams did OU and USC blow out? hardly any.

	06-12-2004 11:52									#97
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you see imran, they rank the teams as they were at the week they were played. theres a reason for this

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/teamsched?teamId=2

	06-12-2004 11:59									#98
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heres how the rankings SHOULD be.

#1. Auburn - toughest schedual, blew out all their opponents including many top 10 teams
#2. OU - barely beat #20, and #22 Oklahoma St. and A&M, blew out the rest
#3. USC - the team of the almosts: almost lost to Cal, almost lost to Oregon St. almost lost to UCLA. PAC 10 is a weak conference
#4. Cal - only lost to USC, but barely. blew out everyone else, includng #21 Arizona St, with letdowns against Oregon and South Miss (wins nevertheless)
#5 Texas
#6 Utah
#7 Georgia
#8 Virginia Tech

have an 8 team playoff, 1 v 8, 2 v 7, 3 v 6 4 v 5 winner is the champ

	06-12-2004 12:04									#99
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quote: auburn played

Auburn also played:

Louisiana Monroe
The Citadel
Louisiana Tech

	06-12-2004 12:05									#100
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and? USC played an entire conference of losers except for Cal. Washington, Washington St, Oregon St, UCLA, Stanford.

	06-12-2004 12:08									#101
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LMU, The Citadel and LA Tech aren't losers, they're P-A-T-S-I-E-S.

	06-12-2004 12:11									#102
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whatever you wanna call them, USC was challenged by a top 10 team once, and almost choked. how can you call them number 1 when they can barely beat #5 Cal? or #69 UCLA

	06-12-2004 12:13									#103
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At least they didn't take weeks off, like Auburn did, to "save up" for the real games. USC didn't play a single patsie.

	06-12-2004 12:16									#104
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what? Wash, Wash st, Oregon, Oregon St, UCLA, Stanford, all of these are losers. dont you get it? USC took the entire season off and played losers except for one game vs. Cal. the entire pac 10 is patsie if thats what you wanna call them. semantics in any case.

	06-12-2004 12:20									#105
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The difference between losers and patsies is that losers can still beat you on any given weekend while patsies have zero chance. And games against losers can still injure your players.

To my mind, Auburn's starters only played 9 games this year. Pretty pathetic.

	06-12-2004 12:23									#106
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quote: The difference between losers and patsies is that losers can still beat you on any given weekend while patsies have zero chance. And games against losers can still injure your players. To my mind, Auburn's starters only played 9 games this year. Pretty pathetic.

thats a lot more than USC who played a conference of patsies but managed to make a bunch of the games close, and infact thats where you're confused. you think that cuz they played USC close they are good, well they're not, they played USC close cuz USC isnt that great.

	06-12-2004 12:26									#107
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You seem to forget that USC has played one other BCS team, can Auburn say that?

USC beat #9 at the Time Virginia Tech, #21 Arizona State,and #4 Cal, so they played one less ranked team.

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	06-12-2004 12:32									#108
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virginia tech was not ranked 9th at the time they played USC, they were ranked #25, they blew out Zona and alomst lost to Cal.

Auburn has played Tennesse twice, Georgia, and LSU, and beat all three, some by bloutouts.

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	06-12-2004 12:37									#109
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia virginia tech was not ranked at the time they played USC, they blew out Zona and alomst lost to Cal. Auburn has played Tennesse twice, Georgia, and LSU, and beat all three, some by bloutouts. :ack: :ack:

So what if they weren't ranked? They are now.

Tennessee they blewout once and then barely beat yesterday. Georgia is overrated(hmmm, seem to have something against Georgia football teaMS ) LSU was overrated as well.

However, Auburn didn't make the Orange Bowl becuase of their poor showing last year.

Preseason #1 that finishes with a losing record. It cost them this year. Because they were ranked 17th to start this season.
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	06-12-2004 12:51									#110
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quote: However, Auburn didn't make the Orange Bowl becuase of their poor showing last year.

EXACTLY. which is why the BCS is a crrock. too much in the preseason poll, too much with running up the scores. cal won their games by an average of 24 and didnt need to run up no scores lik OU. how low can you stoop?

	06-12-2004 12:57									#111
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#1. AUBURN
#2. OU
#3. USC
#4. CAL
#5. TEXAS
#6. UTAH
#7. GEORGIA
#8. VIRGINIA TECH

	06-12-2004 12:58									#112
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia EXACTLY. which is why the BCS is a crrock. too much in the preseason poll, too much with running up the scores. cal won their games by an average of 24 and didnt need to run up no scores lik OU. how low can you stoop?

That should read how low can you Stoops.



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	06-12-2004 13:20									#113
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you know, thats what i was going for, but since i was so tired, i thought of saying stoop instead of stoops. good pickup!

	06-12-2004 17:23									#114
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The SEC is the most competitive league (by far). Auburn should be ranked #1. These rankings are just another BCS debacle to try to 'fix' last years debacle.

	06-12-2004 18:14									#115
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After reading through all the posts from last night... just proof again that the BCS sucks and we need a real playoff system.

	06-12-2004 19:43									#116
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quote: Originally posted by Ming After reading through all the posts from last night... just proof again that the BCS sucks and we need a real playoff system.

My thoughts exactly.

All three teams have legitimate arguments, but that is just what they are...arguments.

The only way to settle the issue is on the field.

	06-12-2004 19:52									#117
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quote: Originally posted by Ming DOWN WITH THE BCS... Bring on a real playoff system that rewards teams that play great.

I think there's a good way to solve this- simply let the BCS pick the top 4 teams, play two New Years Day bowl, and play a true championship bowl one week later on January 8. It's not perfect, but it's the best compromise.

Michigan-Texas is a good matchup for the Rose, but I dont' think the Wolvs can hang with a good Southern team. Well see, I guess..

	06-12-2004 19:58									#118
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I'd much rather see Cal vs. Texas.

	06-12-2004 20:08									#119
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quote: Originally posted by Jac de Molay I think there's a good way to solve this- simply let the BCS pick the top 4 teams, play two New Years Day bowl, and play a true championship bowl one week later on January 8. It's not perfect, but it's the best compromise.

You're right... not perfect, but a good start. The teams that don't make the final four but are high in the rankings can fill out the rest of the New Year Game bowls... and save the two play off games as the last two games of the day... and have a BIG day a week later for the true championship. Even with four teams, I'm sure somebody will whine that they are left out... but that sure beats the hell out of the current system.

	06-12-2004 23:20									#120
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Good lord, most of these bowl games are absolute dogs.

You have to go all the way down the list until Louisville vs. Boise State to get anything remotely interesting.

Michigan-Texas ought to be good. USC-Oklahoma, of course. Utah-Pitt is gonna be absolutely brutal. Auburn-Va Tech might be interesting, but it has the whiff of blowout all over it.

Crappy, crappy, crappy year for bowls.

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Here's the matchups for the 3rd annual GGNCAACFT (Iowa earned the at-large berth, being the only eligible at-large team with a victory over another eligible team):

Preliminary round (let's just call it the Big Ten Championship):
#8 Iowa vs. #9 Michigan

Quarterfinals:
#1 USC vs. Iowa-Michigan winner (obviously, the Rose Bowl)
#2 Oklahoma vs. #7 Louisville (the First-Team-To-60-Points-Wins Bowl)
#3 Auburn vs. #6 Boise State (the Ferocious Animal Bowl)
#4 Utah vs. #5 Virginia Tech (the Uninspired-Nickname-vs.-Totally-Made-Up-Nickname Bowl)

Semis:
Top seeded remaining team-lowest seeded remaining team (Sugar Bowl)
Other two winners (Fiesta Bowl)

Finals--Orange Bowl.

Stay tuned!